Mafia 72-Vampires game thread

[Fishfriend1]

Or we could also say you lost us 3 players. If you had voted DD then innocent user wouldn't have died and we'd only have lost 2 innocents. Jpap doesn't count as a loss since he was turned.



I don't know. Every time I voted someone a quick train formed on them. I wasn't happy with any of them after that.

I don't give a dam who voted for DD. In my mind, they took the easy way out, and that makes then scummier.

the only people who "gained" are vampires?

Yep. We lost pappy, DD, and User_name. We also lost a team turn. They gained 1.

That is not correct, Lady G. And I find it hard to believe you are this clueless about team-building formats, given the number of mafia games you've played.

UserName died because he had 1 more vote against him than DD. DD didn't show up, so she was going to die anyway.

By refusing to vote DD, you helped the town (and the vampire team) kill an additional townie.

I vote to stake Lady G.

You were here and you know this game well enough to understand the dynamics of different formats when you read it explained to you.

By refusing to vote anyone other then DD you took the easy way out. I can't say the scum team was hiding on DD so as to save face, but I can say you are very defensive of the manuver. Thats, makes me think that you are a vamp trying to make urself look good.

UDs happen last. If DD had been the top vote getter she would have been staked by Bala instead of meeting her demise via UD.

I don't see how that would work. DD can't UD and be killed by Bala, but since you say that, i still think that wasting votes on DD instead of actually trying was the stupidest thing the town has ever done.

I've gotten a bit of sleep and had some time to think and read back over a good part of the thread. Here's what bothers me about Ice and his plan of voting DD:

In the game I referenced earlier where I didn't vote as the top vote getter, I UD'd and the second highest vote getter got the noose. I remember sending a couple of WTF pm's to the mod because in that game, the lynch happened before the UD in the order of nightime occurrences too. I may be misremembering this, and I couldn't find the game in a quick search; but it seems to me now that Ice was the mod of that game... maybe you can confirm or deny that, Ice?

Here's the rub... in the pm's following my UD instead of lynching, Ice explained to me that "that's the way it's always been, the UD doesn't get the lynch". Regardless of Labby's intentions toward this point in this game; my memory is that Ice's p.o.v. was exactly the opposite of what he's spewing this game re: voting DD. When did your mind change on this issue, Ice?

Kash seems to have come out swinging on this issue too. I don't think Kash and Ice would both be making such a big deal out of it if they were both evil, they're way too good for that. So I think one of two things is happening: either Ice is evil and is just playing with rule interpretation to hide a vote, or Kash is evil and jumped on the bandwagon Ice started which can later be used to frame Ice. I really believe at this point that one of these two has no reflection.

Kashta, you seems super defensive of ICE's plan. Why is that? Are you scum trying to hide that you took the easy way out? Or are you just lost and confused? You were a coward, and wasted your vote on DD. Istead of tryibg to get rid of real scum who was active, you just went for DD, because she was the easy way out, the way where you didn't have to think. DD was dead no matter what, so instead of risking 1 person(who died anyway) you went for a simpler, easier way. That was a very bad stratagy, and if you are scum then good job confusing everyone.

Ice, you came up with the idea, even though (if JB is to be believed) you have done it the other way around in the past. Why were you so certain the DD would be lynched and not still UD? Did you just want to confuse everyone? Or are you also lost and confused. The only diff between youand Kashta is that kashta still thinks there was nothing wrong with your plan. You think that it may not have been the best plan (or so you make it seem)
Your post saying that you were not trying to get people to follow you is a direct lie though. If you didn't want people to follow you you wouldn't have lead them to the idea.

"I could see this being true if DD showed evil but she showed innocent. How does that make me look good?

All I was doing was trying to buy us an extra day by cutting losses. I'm not asking anyone to trust or follow me.

It looks to me that so far LG and JM are the only ones really upset that DD was voted for, why? You got your 4 innocent kills and while Jpap can't vote he can still strategize with you."

It doesn't make you look innocent, but not trying to defend your idea as much as Kashta does make you look innocent. I will let this pass as an innocent mistake, unless you give me reason not to.

And i too am upset about the mass voting for DD. What a wast of a day.

 

[the wizard]

I have another hectic day today so will not be on until later. I hope I don't come home to a repeat of yesterday. With all the vote switches, nightfall was over before I got caught up and I still didn't get to read thoroughly as I like to.

One thing we did learn from D1, speaking of vote switches, we saw a lot of quick trains. I see ACvania's train depot is working fine.

It seemed that everyone was jumping around to vote the "latest and greatest" suspect. This is a little unsettling.

Let me clarify my thought here. Kashta stated she thought the cases built on FF, and 2H were flimsy at best. One person said she was defending 2H and suddenly, she is in the lead.

User makes a slip of wording trying to get in the spirit of the game, and is led to Bala.

Paranoia like this can kill us. We need to think before we grab our wooden stakes and mallets.

D1 was costly, but we also saw that the newbies won't UD on us so we should be good there for the rest of the game.

 

[jm1212]

For now I think that I'm just going to place my vote... i vote to stake ice. The train that he led on kash yesterday all of a sudden and then his 'safe' vote on an obvious UD is just scummy to me. It looks like he wanted to take the easy way out after he drew a bunch of attention to two other players and successfully created trains on them very quickly. It is only early in day 2 so this vote may move if other circumstances arise... Kash is also another that is on my watch list

 

[the wizard]

I don't give a dam who voted for DD. In my mind, they took the easy way out, and that makes then scummier.



Yep. We lost pappy, DD, and User_name. We also lost a team turn. They gained 1.



By refusing to vote anyone other then DD you took the easy way out. I can't say the scum team was hiding on DD so as to save face, but I can say you are very defensive of the manuver. Thats, makes me think that you are a vamp trying to make urself look good.



I don't see how that would work. DD can't UD and be killed by Bala, but since you say that, i still think that wasting votes on DD instead of actually trying was the stupidest thing the town has ever done.



Kashta, you seems super defensive of ICE's plan. Why is that? Are you scum trying to hide that you took the easy way out? Or are you just lost and confused? You were a coward, and wasted your vote on DD. Istead of tryibg to get rid of real scum who was active, you just went for DD, because she was the easy way out, the way where you didn't have to think. DD was dead no matter what, so instead of risking 1 person(who died anyway) you went for a simpler, easier way. That was a very bad stratagy, and if you are scum then good job confusing everyone.

Ice, you came up with the idea, even though (if JB is to be believed) you have done it the other way around in the past. Why were you so certain the DD would be lynched and not still UD? Did you just want to confuse everyone? Or are you also lost and confused. The only diff between youand Kashta is that kashta still thinks there was nothing wrong with your plan. You think that it may not have been the best plan (or so you make it seem)
Your post saying that you were not trying to get people to follow you is a direct lie though. If you didn't want people to follow you you wouldn't have lead them to the idea.

"I could see this being true if DD showed evil but she showed innocent. How does that make me look good?

All I was doing was trying to buy us an extra day by cutting losses. I'm not asking anyone to trust or follow me.

It looks to me that so far LG and JM are the only ones really upset that DD was voted for, why? You got your 4 innocent kills and while Jpap can't vote he can still strategize with you."

It doesn't make you look innocent, but not trying to defend your idea as much as Kashta does make you look innocent. I will let this pass as an innocent mistake, unless you give me reason not to.

And i too am upset about the mass voting for DD. What a wast of a day.

To be honest, if I had been caught up when I read the post about voting DD, I would have pulled my vote off of Noods. Especially after reading her response.

My vote went to her because as I pointed out she was excited about being free of distractions from the game and then didn't post.

Would you have rather I voted you instead? Would you have preferred those on DD voted you?

I didn't vote you because your posts,although all over the place, didn't seem to be scummy to me at the time.

Your reasons for voting 2H seemed flimsy at best.

Now you are trying to build a case it would seem against everyone that voted DD. Following the write up of the nightfall events. It would only stand to reason that the UD would be lynched before being able to UD. It is only logical. The lynch/staking is the first order of business. It will be that way in my game as well.

Although I don't advocate that as a tactic later in the game, on D1 when it is nearly impossible( unless someone slips up real bad) to get a read on scum, it would have been better than voting off someone you didn't think scummy but had to vote somewhere.

Last night is over, voting DD would have saved user and been less costly but it is over. Let's try to move on.

We don't know how many there are. All we do know is that they added 1 to their numbers. And as we saw from the slayer's staking, Drac used his extra bite. Now we only need to worry about one at a time.

 

[rich311k]

First off I think voting a UD is a bad idea, no matter what logic you throw at it. Just not proper as far as I am concerned.

Second I voted User because I thought he had slipped up and made a grievous error. I was wrong and I am sorry.

Third I would have stayed on FF, no way I vote for DD as a UD.

 

[Fishfriend1]

Wiz, even if they voted me that would have been better then just being a coward and voting someone already dead. It was a total wast of vote.

If i seem a little scaterbrained, its cause there's a movie on and its distracting

anyway, i wasn't building a case against them, just grilling them on their wasted votes. Although I do think Kashta was defending her choice way to much.

 

[noodles62]

To be honest, if I had been caught up when I read the post about voting DD, I would have pulled my vote off of Noods. Especially after reading her response.

My vote went to her because as I pointed out she was excited about being free of distractions from the game and then didn't post.

Would you have rather I voted you instead? Would you have preferred those on DD voted you?

I didn't vote you because your posts,although all over the place, didn't seem to be scummy to me at the time.

Your reasons for voting 2H seemed flimsy at best.

Now you are trying to build a case it would seem against everyone that voted DD. Following the write up of the nightfall events. It would only stand to reason that the UD would be lynched before being able to UD. It is only logical. The lynch/staking is the first order of business. It will be that way in my game as well.

Although I don't advocate that as a tactic later in the game, on D1 when it is nearly impossible( unless someone slips up real bad) to get a read on scum, it would have been better than voting off someone you didn't think scummy but had to vote somewhere.

Last night is over, voting DD would have saved user and been less costly but it is over. Let's try to move on.

We don't know how many there are. All we do know is that they added 1 to their numbers. And as we saw from the slayer's staking, Drac used his extra bite. Now we only need to worry about one at a time.

1. Have a posted enough now?

2. I agree that by voting for a UD on day one is necessarily a good thing but based on the limited suspisions that were abound it was better then losing user_name.
Unfortunately it did not work out that way. In hind sight perhaps I should have moved there as well, altho I was already under the microscope for the moves I did make throughout the day.
Day 1 is Day 1 and very hard to get a good read and 98% of the time we are wrong and lose an innocent. I do not see how a vote to stake an obvious UD instead of losing an unknown/possible townie is so awful.

I do however agree that does make an easy place for scum ot hide. I feel that it is highly possible that there was 1 scum on DD.
I also feel that at least 1 of the late moves to user is most definitely scum. This is where I will be looking first. The way the votes fell within 2 posts of eachother is just too creepy. JMO
If we can stop arguing with eachother, it is likely that we can learn something from the way nightfall and the vote moves went down.

 

[jbradt]

I went back and did some looking... it was Mafia 63 that I was referring to: http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218092; modded by Ice. Page 76 (I think) is where I should have been lynched, but since I didn't vote, Ag got the noose and I UD'd. I'd really like to know, Ice; if you ran your game that way, why did you assume it would be safe to vote DD now?

In the pm's that followed, you explained to me that this is exactly the reason people move their votes off the UD. It really feels to me like being played. I don't want to vote until I hear Ice's response, but I'm leaning this way.

 

[Fishfriend1]

Vote count so far:

FF- Ice (123), LG (135)
2Hobbies- FF(137)
No votes: everyone else

Starting here...

3 hours 41 minutes until nightfall.

PM's as required!

Current vote count:
FF-4- Ice (123), LG (135), JM1212 (195), Rich (202)
2Hobbies-5- FF(137), JB (188), Chill (197), Noods (204), UN(234)
Noods-1-Wiz (176)
User_name-1-2H (230)
No votes from: jpap, Dag, Kash, DD, judgemax

Train on me and 2H.

Updated vote count:

FF-3- Ice (123), LG (135), JM1212 (195), Rich (202)
2Hobbies-3- FF(137), JB (188), Chill (197), Noods (204), UN(234)
Noods-1-Wiz (176)
User_name-1-2H (230)
Chill-1-Kash (286)
Kash-4-Ice (289), Judgemax (295), Noods (297), UN (301)
DD-1-jpap (290), Dag (303)
No votes- DD

Nightfall in 2 hours, 14 minutes.

Everyone voted cept DD. Ice, Noods, and UN moved votes.

Updated vote count:

FF-3- Ice (123), LG (135), JM1212 (195), Rich (202)
2Hobbies-3- FF(137), JB (188), Chill (197), Noods (204), UN(234)
Noods-1-Wiz (176)
User_name-1-2H (230)
Chill-1-Kash (286)
Kash-4-Ice (289), Judgemax (295), Noods (297), UN (301)
DD-2-jpap (290), Dag (303)
No votes- DD

Fixed.

Kash is gaing steam.

Same as above.

Updated vote count:

FF-3- Ice (123), LG (135), JM1212 (195), Rich (202)
2Hobbies-3- FF(137), JB (188), Chill (197), Noods (204), UN(234)
Noods-1-Wiz (176)
User_name-1-2H (230)
Chill-1-Kash (286)
Kash-3-Ice (289), Judgemax (295), Noods (297), UN (301)
DD-3-jpap (290), Dag (303), Ice (316)
No vote- DD

Ice moves again. DD is gaining steam.

Updated vote count:

FF-3- Ice (123), LG (135), JM1212 (195), Rich (202)
2Hobbies-3- FF(137), JB (188), Chill (197), Noods (204), UN(234)
Noods-1-Wiz (176)
User_name-1-2H (230)
Chill-1-Kash (286)
Kash-2-Ice (289), Judgemax (295), Noods (297), UN (301)
DD-2-jpap (290), Dag (303), Ice (316)
Ice-1- jpap (327)
No vote- DD, Noods

JP moves, noods retracts.

23 minutes until nightfall...

Current vote count:

FF-0- Ice (123), LG (135), JM1212 (195), Rich (202)
2Hobbies-2- FF(137), JB (188), Chill (197), Noods (204), UN(234)
Noods-2-Wiz (176), LG (361)
User_name-4-2H (230), jm1212 (364), Rich (366), JB (368)
Chill-1-Kash (286)
Kash-2-Ice (289), Judgemax (295), Noods (297), UN (301)
DD-2-jpap (290), Dag (303), Ice (316)
Ice-1- jpap (327)
JM1212-1- Noods (355)

About to die an embarrassing death due to lack of voting- DD

LG,JM,and Rich move to user_name. Noods places vote.

Current vote count:

FF-0- Ice (123), LG (135), JM1212 (195), Rich (202)
2Hobbies-2- FF(137), JB (188), Chill (197), Noods (204), UN(234)
Noods-2-Wiz (176), LG (361)
User_name-4-2H (230), jm1212 (364), Rich (366), JB (368)
Chill-0-Kash (286)
Kash-2-Ice (289), Judgemax (295), Noods (297), UN (301)
DD-3-jpap (290), Dag (303), Ice (316), Kash (391)
Ice-1- jpap (327)
JM1212-1- Noods (355)


No vote- DD

ashta moves her vote to DD.

Thats what happened as nightfall came.

A train on me and hobbies, then a train on Kasta starts. Next the trains on me an 2H start to die out. After that the trains on me, 2h, and kashta fail as the train on User forms. Then the train on DD forms, and after that night comes.

 

[Fishfriend1]

Correct me if im wrong about anything up there.