Mafia 72-Vampires game thread

[IceH2O]

Here Dag.. why I figured 3.

We know there were at least 2 original vamps (who could be anybody since those assignments were random)... and they added a turn.





My suspects: Ice and JM as original vampires with someone like JB, Wizard, Rich, Lady G, or Chill as their turn.

Now, if you're right that there were 4 vampires at game start, then you're also right that this plan I've suggested isn't such a good idea. But I disagree with you on that count. There's no way (in my opinion) Lab Rat as game mod would have given the vampire team 4 full members, plus allow them a 50/50 chance every single night to recruit someone else, plus give the lead vampire an additional one-time bite. That makes this a team-building/recruitment game for the evils and that's why I think there were 2 vamps.

Lab Rat was also aware there was quite a lot of discussion how imbalanced the setup was in a previous game... which she commented about in either her sign up thread or the general mafia thread, by stating she'd make sure that wouldn't be the case in her game. Staffing the vampire side with a full team plus let them team-build daily on top of that would have been totally unfair to the town.

This forces the vampires (at least 3 now) to also take a position, state their reasons, and put their names on it.

If there were three to start with two successful turns they are at 5. A lynch of an innocent leaves 15 players, after night one they would be 2 away from winning. I feel that LR would have not made it that easy for the vamps to win. Therefor they started with 2 and now have 3.

I did most of my disagreeing with you.

Interesting post kash. Works great unless you and Ice are sucking us into one grand finale. I don't think so though. I think we have 3 vampires at most right not. If they started with 3 this game would not have been fair at all.

I didn't like the votes on DD last night, and still don't today, but do now at least understand the thinking behind voting her late day one.
I have a problem with Dag trying to sell us the 2 Vampire theory, and

Here you even thought 2 to start...I couldn't find the post but maybe 2H will pull it for us.

In a standard format mafia game, roughly 25% of the group is mafia up against 75% innocents. The premise being it's an informed minority competing against an uninformed majority.

Let's say they start out with 20 players. Among those, 5 would be mafia on Day and 15 would be townies.

This is a different game format because the mafia gets to recruit new teammates. And that's the reason why it would give them an unfair advantage over the innocents if they started out with a full team and were then allowed to increase their numbers every night. The town wouldn't stand a chance.

So....

In a team-building format, the mafia usually starts with only 1 member. And they start choosing their own teammates night after night. In this case, Lab Rat already told us she didn't want to start with only 1 vampire .... because it's too risky. All it takes is one lucky stake (town lynch or slayer) and the game is over prematurely. So she started us off with at least 2 vampire opponents.

Since we have 17 players, the standard mafia percentage of 25% would mean the vampire team is "fully staffed" with 4 members. So they had to start with less than that or the game would not be balanced fairly.

That leaves us guessing between 2 vampires (Drac + 1 vamp) or 3 vampires (Drac + 2 vamps) at the beginning of Day 1.

Does that help explain it for you Dag?

 

[Chill]

Well after you let slip 3 i'm pretty convinced that there are only three at the moment. I am positive that you are a vampire and you saying a specific number without thinking leads me to believe that there are only 3 now.

Well if Ice burst into ash at the end of a stake - I wouldn't be confident that there were only two left, this could me misinformation just as easy as it could be a slip.

 

[IceH2O]

Can you rephrase the bolded parts for me Ice I really can't follow what you're trying to say? If the PM wasn't sent in there wasn't any bite or risk. As to the second part are you saying they put her up for a coin flip and just for good measure thet added a bite?

Should have said if the PM was sent in.

 

[Chill]

yeah I really do, and I also hope that the priest will give me protection tonight because I know I've just fingered two of the vampires, you and wiz. (I was really trying to think of another word other then fingered but couldn't come up with anything) I am speculating that you and the other vampires are suspecting what role I could have in this game. hence why i'm asking for priestly protection for at least this one night.

okay Dag if that's not role claiming I don't know what is?

 

[Chill]

Should have said if the PM was sent in.

what about the second part are you saying they put her for a coin flip and a bite?

 

[IceH2O]

I can't say I believe him, because he is wrong on me. Unless he says he didn't investigate me and is going with what he thinks is proof so he could invest others.

 

[Chill]

I do not think a player like Ice would have pushed a controversial theory like he did if he was a vamp. The vamps are rolling no sense getting extra pressure for little gain.

I dont know about FF and I dont really care. If he is a vamp we will get him. I think we need to pick well this time or we are done.

I also wonder who would we have voted off yesterday if Kash did not put out the vote for me or he proposal. I think it would have been FF or 2H.

I think Dag is making sure no other theories get really looked at as he pounces as soon as some one says anything but Ice and Kash was the bite. No other options.

I vote to lynch Dag.

Which controversial theory are you talking about?

 

[IceH2O]

what about the second part are you saying they put her for a coin flip and a bite?

I still don't think it was sent in, miscommunication on who was going to send it in maybe but for whatever reason I just think it wasn't sent in or maybe you are right and Kash was bitten but FF screwed up by switching votes.

I explained here what I thought the plan was:

Ok so this is what I think was the plan.

They saw a chance to take Kash out. FF said for an hour he was going to push a coin flip. I think they thought I'd move last minute to push the coin flip and my vote would fall after FFs which I'd be the kill vote and be lynched the next day.
That buys them a day as I'm next to go. It didn't work as planned but the result will be the same I'll be gone.

FF even posted he'll probably UD in the next couple of days. So what would it hurt his team for him to make that move? By the time you get to him he will already be UDing.


Like I said I'm ok with going I just hope the slayer and ghost chat hit the right players.

To add it wouldn't even matter if mine or FFs was last, the action of moving when I said I wouldn't would be scummy enough to vote me.

 

[rich311k]

Which controversial theory are you talking about?

Vote for UD.

 

[Chill]

Vote for UD.

Are you reading my posts, he called for the UD vote in the last game and he was evil, so he certainly would push such a controversial theory when evil, he would, he did, read day 1 of the last game.