Mafia 72-Vampires game thread

[Dagamoth]

I don't have time to read right now, should be able tonight if I don't get to caught up in the game.

I just want to ask, what really is the case against me?

That I voted a UD or thought it was a good idea? So did Dag so did innocent Kash.

That Kash thought she had a solid case? Kash is wrong,just because she died innocent doesn't mean I'm automatically evil. 2 good players have gone against each other and both have died innocent before.

I've tried everything to show my innocence.

I didn't try to save myself.

I've answered questions as best I could.

I'm trying to find scum but you guys are so tunnel visioned it doesn't matter anyway.

You think I'm such a good player but have me on a team that either didn't send in a bite or chose to bite someone who was pretty much on an even keel to get lynched when they could have gone after any number of players.

I'm willing to go if its that important to find out for sure what I already know. But you guys are taking the numbers to the limit.

Its 9-3

I get staked and they get a bite its 7-4. Day after if you screw up again and get another innocent its game over 5-5. This is without Slayer/ghost chat shots. If they miss you're really screwed.

All I ask is take me out of the equation,forget that Kash had me as a suspect and look closer from the start.

I'll be on later to read the thread but I have things I need to take care of today.

How do you know the exact team ratio Ice?!?!?!?! Everyone else can only speculate aside from the vampire team.

 

[IceH2O]

Just one question: If i was a vamp, why would i vote switch. Don't say to save a teammate, casue that would be stupid. I had little suspition on myself, and vote switching to save Ice would have just incriminated him like it has. My vote switching would not have helped the scum team if both me and Ice were scum, cause then you would have 2 people to look at who were vamps. Instead, you have at least 1 innocent to look at.

Yep, no teams have been able to control me, cept JB's team. And you all(should) remember what happened that game (i lasted till the evils won) which is very different from this game.

So you admit to incriminating me? You're right it doesn't help if we're both vamp, problem is I'm not vamp.

Yes, but I also said that Kashta was a suspect, and she was the towns seconed most favored person. I was starting to get doughts about Ice, and figured if im not gonna be on much, might as well take the risk of making it a tie. My gamble failed, and now im taking the heat. Notice that i have not tried to say it wasn't my fault, its totally my fault that Kashta is dead, and i wish i hadn't switched. As you can see, my vote is right back there on Ice, and will not be moving, short of a vamp coming out and say "I am a vampire! KILL ME". Anything less will just get my attention, and will be noted for future thoughts/feelings/opinions/votes after today.

Of course, because I will not have my mac, i may not be on AC for the lynch, and may even UD day 4(if im still alive). I have little left to lose by getting voted off, and even less by being turned. The vamps turn me, and then i UD or get voted for and they wasted a turn, so i figure im pretty safe to stick my neck out and be bold.

Here you admit that you had nothing to lose by making that move because you won't be around anyway. So why would that make us consider you innocent? Its all coming together in my mind now and I'll post more on "the plan" after I get these all pulled.

Ok, ok, you win, but only because i would rather we look into toher players and not what the mod did/does.



Feel free to vote me, but when i die and the vamps laugh at you its not my problem, cause ill be dead. and helping decide where the stake goes.



Then it would be Dag. Sheesh, sorry for the misname. Thats what i get for posting b4 7. I was in a rush cause today is the last day I can get to the site from home, and then bye bye macs. So i have until probably 9:30-10:30 to be on, then i can no longer access the site. Not until i get home anyway, and even then only if my mom is OK with me borrowing her work computer.



Because i totally didn't give any warning... If it had been a surprise i could understand you all being annoyed, but I had been posting about it for about an hour beforehand, so you cannot claim i was surprising you. And yes, it was calculated, but only is such a way that it was guaranteed to be a coin flip. Thats why I did it the very last possible minute.



They may, they may not.



Well, my first instinct was to vote Ice (at least it was from day 2 onward) and when i stopped listening to it Kashta got killed so ima listen to in now.

Just an idea: What if the seer came out and told us who was who (so far, anyway) and the priest protected? Plz try to find as many possible ways this could go wrong, i don't want to screw up again.

The 1st bolded statement came from me voting FF. He says the vamps will be laughing at me. I thought I was a vamp FF? Isn't that why you're voting me?

2nd bolded: Its true you were posting about it for an hour or so. I believe a number of players told you it was a bad idea but you did it anyway.

3rd: How many times have you been told to never bring up PRs yet you do it again? Need to take out the Seer so he doesn't know I'm innocent and you're evil?

 

[IceH2O]

How do you know the exact team ratio Ice?!?!?!?! Everyone else can only speculate aside from the vampire team.

We've been considering 3 players for a while now Dag. I went with what the town thought.

 

[IceH2O]

Your late vote switch (1 minute before nightfall) IMO was very calculated. I do not think Ice is your team mate, I think your late switch was an attempt to incriminate him, by making it look like you were saving him...

I agree. It buys them another day. By the time the town realizes that FF played them its to late.

 

[IceH2O]

I have to leave my vote on Ice for the same reason it was there yesterday. He started this game by floating out the vote the UD plan, not only is it unlike Ice to take the safe road, it's the exact same thing he did last game when he was scum. At that time it looked scummy and I wondered was it a tell, later that night when I was turned I knew it was. I can't help but think the same plan was in play this game.

I vote to stake IceH2O.

So I assume you think Dag and Kash are vamps also.

G they get the two players anyway. Kash is staked anyway you slice it. Ice is all ready on the hook for taking the blame -why go to the trouble of framing him? Kash all ready took care of making him look guilty. Taking care of 2 people that were a huge threat is pretty much a done deal why pass up a turn?

What do they gain from confusion? Day 2 outcome is the same, Day 3 outcome is likely Ice either way so no benefit achieved. They risk a slayer attack tonight, and a ghost attack and possibly another slayer attack on day 4. Getting fancy with a pointless set up buys them nothing and the delay increases their risks. Confusion versus an increase in numbers doesn't seem worth the risk. Better to grow their numbers or diminish ours so they have a better control of the vote.

Exactly Chill so if the PM wasn't sent in why risk biting someone on the block? No matter which one of us went the other was next. What I think is that they put it to the coin flip because it didn't matter which died as the next night the other would follow. But why pass up the chance to get rid of Kash 1st. I'd be much easier to get rid of the next day since so many were already looking at me.

 

[IceH2O]

Oh yeah, i retract my vote to lynch lady g
as of right now, going back in don't think that she is guilty. She may have voted for kash, but I think that it was just poor luck on her part since it looks like she though kash was scum. Therefore, i vote to lynch ice. He seems like he is the integral part of the vamp team, and he might be giving advice to it's members. That said, I don't think that he is the lead vamp.

You're right, I'm not any vamp

For the vote, read below. As for the team, I should have stated more clearly that I thought ice should be on the team instead of dag

Why do you have Dag on the brain JM?

 

[Lady G]

what kind of odds you giving on a bite not being sent in? I'll give you 100 to 1 odds that Kashta was the bite victim.

I know you do Dag, which is why I believe you had it sent in. This post just helps me think it even more.

Your late vote switch (1 minute before nightfall) IMO was very calculated. I do not think Ice is your team mate, I think your late switch was an attempt to incriminate him, by making it look like you were saving him...

Ok, Noods here one example of your posts that have me concerned. Here you say FF is trying to "incriminate" Ice, yet your vote is on Ice????

 

[Dagamoth]

So I assume you think Dag and Kash are vamps also.

Exactly Chill so if the PM wasn't sent in why risk biting someone on the block? No matter which one of us went the other was next. What I think is that they put it to the coin flip because it didn't matter which died as the next night the other would follow. But why pass up the chance to get rid of Kash 1st. I'd be much easier to get rid of the next day since so many were already looking at me.

Actually it was Kashta who said that you and she were on different sides of the town. We have shown that kashta was an innocent. Had you been staked last night and shown vampire I'll admit that I would overlook Kashta for at least one night unless her game play changed drastically which I doubt it would of since she is an experienced veteran. Also Ice I don't think the town ever agreed on a set number of vampires. You totally slipped there saying that the town agreed upon a number is a weak excuse. Really expected something better from you.

 

[IceH2O]

Ok so this is what I think was the plan.

They saw a chance to take Kash out. FF said for an hour he was going to push a coin flip. I think they thought I'd move last minute to push the coin flip and my vote would fall after FFs which I'd be the kill vote and be lynched the next day.
That buys them a day as I'm next to go. It didn't work as planned but the result will be the same I'll be gone.

FF even posted he'll probably UD in the next couple of days. So what would it hurt his team for him to make that move? By the time you get to him he will already be UDing.


Like I said I'm ok with going I just hope the slayer and ghost chat hit the right players.

 

[IceH2O]

Actually it was Kashta who said that you and she were on different sides of the town. We have shown that kashta was an innocent. Had you been staked last night and shown vampire I'll admit that I would overlook Kashta for at least one night unless her game play changed drastically which I doubt it would of since she is an experienced veteran. Also Ice I don't think the town ever agreed on a set number of vampires. You totally slipped there saying that the town agreed upon a number is a weak excuse. Really expected something better from you.

Kash thought we were on different sides, she couldn't know for fact. She voted UD same as I same as you. Why does it make me evil but you 2 are cleared?

I'm pretty sure if we go back and pull posts most of us believe there are 3 vamps right now.

How many do you think there are Dag?