Mafia 73: Werewolf Game!

[Zaffy]

Holy crap, I'm not a child, I know how to use a forum.

I'm really sorry, I didn't mean for that to come out as condescending or rude.

I could have phrased it differently. But the point still stands that we usually want some proof for the claims.

Even if it's just a summary of how you think I have contradicted myself. quotes are the best though.

 

[Zaffy]

or, been wishy washy.

 

[Chill]

Well after Rocker it might do more harm than good to post my other thoughts without more information. Kind of like my thoughts about Dag last game.

At any rate it's 12:30 and I have to work in the morning, my bottles gone and so am I. Have a good night all.

Kash I would appreciate your thoughts on why Wiz.

 

[Fishfriend1]

Good Night Everyone!

 

[Taysius]

I'm ready to vote several people. If JM wows us with his insight, she could be one of them.

You actually make a decent point. It seems kinda weak, and she doesn't ever really state that she "has" to be innocent. But, People often do change their play styles when they have different roles, so it's totally plausible.

I don't know if I'm WOWed enough to vote for her yet.

You're ready to vote for several people but I think I've only seen you threaten to vote LG.

Who are these other people? You're doing a lot of defending yourself, but how does that help the town other than saving your own tail? You haven't really brought up any cases against anyone else. Granted you mentioned you didn't buy into Rich's story, but that's not much.

So who ARE you ready to vote for?

 

[jm1212]

You actually make a decent point. It seems kinda weak, and she doesn't ever really state that she "has" to be innocent. But, People often do change their play styles when they have different roles, so it's totally plausible.

I don't know if I'm WOWed enough to vote for her yet.

Sorry it didn't make it into the Circle of Zaf, but it's a small point that gives me a reason to watch her.

Besides, my vote is still on you I believe.

 

[Lady G]

I love this post more and more everyday.


Let's go through the time line.

post # 149 9:28am Kashta asks a question about # of wolves.
post # 151 11:26am Zaffy confronts JM about joke votes.
post # 152 11:31am Jpappy confronts JM about joke votes.
post # 153 11:41am Zaffy comments on Jpappys post.
post # 155 11:51am Zaffy asks Chill about LG's alignment.
post # 158 11:55am Jpappy responds to Rocker about an LG comment.

You guys may notice as I have that Jpappy actually follows me. Although the time stamps are close enough that it's possible we were forming ours posts at exactly the same time.

My question to everyone, is how did I know what jpap was going to post before he posted? how did I know to vote him early and keep my vote on him? are these things that are possible in this realm of existence?

I think Kashta is just sad that we apparently ignored her question to the vets. (which I later answered anyway)

Ok, I have to acknowledge this.
After reading your post I went back and looked. I will admit, the posting were opposite what I thought. Yes, most the posts were made by you first. This actually changes a few things in my mind. Now, after looking I need to go back and rethink a few things. Not saying it will change my mind entirely...but I can't keep my vote on you when it is there with thoughts that are not correct. You, are FAR from cleared in my mind right now...but I will admit when I am wrong about something and I need to go back and re look at a few things now.

For now I retract my vote on Zaffy

 

[Zaffy]

You're ready to vote for several people but I think I've only seen you threaten to vote LG.

Who are these other people? You're doing a lot of defending yourself, but how does that help the town other than saving your own tail? You haven't really brought up any cases against anyone else. Granted you mentioned you didn't buy into Rich's story, but that's not much.

So who ARE you ready to vote for?

It helps the town because I'm innocent, but that's not provable.

Fair enough on the wishy washyness. I think I'm prepared to make a vote on at least : Piranha, JM, Rich, Chill, LG. and depending on her response Kashta, I need to look into everyone else more before I'm able to make an argument or not.

 

[Kashta]

This is totally ridiculous. Zaffy, putting up this timeline makes absolutely no sense at this stage of the game.

I love this post more and more everyday.


Let's go through the time line.

post # 149 9:28am Kashta asks a question about # of wolves.
post # 151 11:26am Zaffy confronts JM about joke votes.
post # 152 11:31am Jpappy confronts JM about joke votes.
post # 153 11:41am Zaffy comments on Jpappys post.
post # 155 11:51am Zaffy asks Chill about LG's alignment.
post # 158 11:55am Jpappy responds to Rocker about an LG comment.

You guys may notice as I have that Jpappy actually follows me. Although the time stamps are close enough that it's possible we were forming ours posts at exactly the same time.

My question to everyone, is how did I know what jpap was going to post before he posted? how did I know to vote him early and keep my vote on him? are these things that are possible in this realm of existence?

I think Kashta is just sad that we apparently ignored her question to the vets. (which I later answered anyway)

That's very amusing, Zaffy.

Let's all take a better look at what Zaffy really says here and what he's trying to do.

#1. I posted an open question about the number of wolves possible in the game asking for a little feedback.

#2. Two hours later both Pappy and Zaffy were actively posting in the thread for a span of about 30 minutes.

#3. During that timeframe and as demonstrated from the actual posts I quoted in my post later.... the posts Zaffy and Pappy made were (coincidentally?) written in a strikingly similar tone. They almost simultaneously addressed the same things, asked the same kind of questions, and came across in their manner of writing as if they shared the same ideas... attitude... frame of mind.

#4. As I was also back in the thread again to catch up from earlier, I read through these posts. And I wondered... wow, those two sound so much alike it's hard to tell where one starts and the other leaves off.

#5. I kept reading and also wondered if the two posting were in communication with each other at that time they both were posting. Maybe there was a connection there as they seemed to be on the same page together.

#6. I also wondered why it was so important for both Pappy and Zaffy to confront JM the same way (within 5 min of each other's posts).

#7. I thought it was also curious that they then went on to both question two other players (Chill and Rocker) about Lady G... again at the same time within a few minutes of each other's posts.

After seeing this and noticing as well that neither Pappy nor Zaffy bothered to address other posts in the thread (including mine from 2 hours before) I wondered again why both would spend so much time posting what they did without bothering to get caught up in the thread. There seemed to me to be some element of haste behind this.

The next thing I did after I got done with the posts in the game thread myself was to switch back again to another page where I track the current vote count. There again at the top of that list was Zaffy's vote to lynch Pappy.

I thought that seemed weird. From what I had seen in the thread Zaffy and Pappy agreed with each other so much I had to glance at their avatars to tell their posts apart from each other's.

That's what made me wonder why on earth would Zaffy vote for a player (Pappy) when he so clearly seemed to agree with him. I checked back in the thread at that time and could find no previously overlooked posts that showed them disagreeing with each other or possibly suspecting each other.

So why was Zaffy voting Pappy? I had no clue.

I went back then to Zaffy's original post where he placed his vote (aka his joke-vote) on Pappy to read it again. That's when I remembered, oh right.. that's nothing but a garbage vote. There was no reason given and it wasn't even serious.

It made no sense to me why Zaffy would not have retracted this vote at some later point. It also made no sense why Zaffy wouldn't have further explained the vote if he intended to leave it on Pappy for some new reason that developed after it had been placed, initially, as just a joke.

That's when I pulled those specific posts from them both and asked what was going on.

"You guys may notice as I have that Jpappy actually follows me. Although the time stamps are close enough that it's possible we were forming ours posts at exactly the same time."
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Totally irrelevant to the point I made, Zaffy. You are wasting all of our time with this.

Which post hit the thread first or second within minutes of each other makes not a bit of difference when two communicating teammates are simultaneously chatting with each other in their scumden at the same time. Some people type faster than others... one might be posting at their communicating board while the other is drafting their post in the game thread at that time... a telephone call, for example, could interrupt and delay the submission of a post... and so on.

I didn't question you about this back then because you were following Pappy... which seems to be the allegation you're working to disprove. I questioned you because the posts that existed in the thread showed us you were both of the same mind. You shared the same opinions, questions, and viewpoints. And seemed to agree with each other.

That is what didn't fit at all because Pappy was the person you voted against.... for NO reason.

All this stuff now that you've gone back to rehash for us means absolutely nothing, Zaffy. You aren't being questioned about that anymore because those questions are no longer germaine to what we're looking at today.

The only reason I can see why you would bother with this particular argument NOW is in hopes that it might confuse the town and discourage us from voting you. This post from you clarifies nothing.... it doesn't help the town sort anything out.... it's nothing more than a lame attempt on your part to misdirect people.

"My question to everyone, is how did I know what jpap was going to post before he posted? how did I know to vote him early and keep my vote on him? are these things that are possible in this realm of existence?"
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Interesting questions, Zaffy. But again..... irrelevant.

You aren't under suspicion today because we still believe you were aligned with Pappy. Jpappy is dead now, remember? And we know he was innocent. What you've gone back to dredge up now in your own defense has nothing to do with your alignment with Lab Rat.... and it's that connection with her (not Pappy) that has brought you up for lynching this nightfall.

You did come up with a convincing argument... but it's to dispute the entirely wrong allegation.

Silly werewolf.

 

[jbradt]

Silly werewolf.

... Trix are for townies!


LOL... couldn't resist.

I'm pretty satisfied with where things stand at the moment. I think Labby and Zaffy are in the bag. The order is unimportant to me. So I'm going to take some time looking at others. There are still at least two more. I'm going to look into Pir more since I think he's a good bet for one. Not sure what to think about the 4th. Jeez... I really hope there aren't 5.