Mafia 78- The Gunslinger Returns...The Play

[the wizard]

Of all the players I have played with, I think FF has been scum more often in the games I played than anyone else. Which means, he has been communicating teammates with several of the mafia players we have.

Yet there was only one game that he didn't FF all over the thread. Just an interesting thought I had.

 

[Kashta]

I see Pir and Salt haven't even posted yet.

I wanted to see if I could put together a small list based off posts and gut feeling but it wouldn't be as accurate without their input so hopefully we here from them by tonight.

I don't like that my list consists of the most talkative players so far except for 1 player but posts lead me that way. At the same time this is a really easy game to hide in and for the most part how they played the last game.

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=215523

That is the link to who posted last Gunslinger game, mafia were

Annie
TRS
Zaffy
Lab

Lab lasted the entire game. Annie died 48 hrs in,Zaffy then TRS followed each almost 48 hrs each after if I remember correctly so you can see both of them really laid low. It was because of lists,post content and who I felt at the time I could trust that led me to them. They could have easily been over looked.


I think I had an easier game being the Slinger, I could post however I liked with out worrying about how it was read. Take that into account Wiz, you can go hard after who you think is evil or you can make it look that way.

This is good advice.

 

[Kashta]

Hope this part helps you, limited questions aren't needed and you're not going to get content without questions. But the bolded line says it all.


I wanted to give you a list. I'll say right now JB JS and Kash stand out the most. The way accusations fell on certain posts but mostly the comments about Dags post having no content to them.
I have some errands to do and today is NBA2K day with my friend so hopefully there is more posting I can look at tonight and give a more defined list with pulled posts included.

Keep me on your suspect as you like, Ice. That doesn't concern me. But put the reason I "may" be suspicious based on a single post as being I was noncomittal about Dag at this stage, since that's what my post actually says. Don't misrepresent what I posted by referring now to just the first line.

In that post, I said (1) Dag should have posted more content. Then I said (2) we shouldn't blow little things like that out of proportion.

Then.. I gave Wizard some advice I thought would be more use to him than wondering about a little, most likely inconsequential point.

That was the point of my post (obviously) and I believe that was most relevant to the question Wizard asked us.

Here again is my actual post. You may wish to make it sound accusatory if you want, but we can all see it wasn't.

Wizard, I'd say Dag should have posted more content than he did, so maybe it's significant that he didn't. This isn't the usual day or two of fluff posting on Day 1. But it's still real early in the game, so that makes it easy for us to pick something out and blow it out of proportion.

My advice to you is take your time. Take the full 48 hours you get. A lot of people are going to get finger-pointy anyway and we already know 5 of them are trying to point your shot the wrong way.

 

[Dagamoth]

You need to read further along in the thread. It wasn't a theory it was a hypothetical. I was only explaining why I as a mafia would put the gun in the hands of a new player and saying what could happen in that instance.

I have a few questions about this post Ice after looking back at some of your earlier comments.

That is why I think they chose him also. But Wiz is pretty good at picking out scum so its not a smart move IMO except that he has limited time. But that just means we need to push the envelope more for him and get players talking. It would be better for him to ask his own questions since he knows what answers he expects but every little bit should help.

I actually think most all of us would choose a top player as 1st slinger for the reasons already said. I think Wiz was chosen for his announced lack of time.

I wouldn't choose a a player that makes themselves look scummy. I also wouldn't choose players that are hard to read for the slinger because I'd want the slinger to have to wonder about them.
I might choose a new player as slinger just because its almost a 100% chance they would miss just because they don't yet know what they are looking for.

I don't get why you are mentioning why you "might" put the gun in the hands of a new player when that is exactly what did not happen. The only reason I could see you even mentioning something like that would be to essentially say "the gun is in a vet's hand so I can't be scum" type thing. Also what does the part about I wouldn't choose players that are hard to read for the slinger mean? The slinger wouldn't have to wonder about them because they are "them". What do you mean by wonder about them?

It doesn't make sense to me to have so many contradictions in your posts about why you "hypothetically" might choose a new player when it has no bearing on the game unless you are just trying to make yourself look like you can't be scum. You give all the hypothetical new player pick reasons you go and say "I actually think most all of us would choose a top player as 1st slinger for the reasons already said."

Why bring up all that "hypothetical" when it really has no bearing on what has actually happened in this game?

 

[IceH2O]

Keep me on your suspect as you like, Ice. That doesn't concern me. But put the reason I "may" be suspicious based on a single post as being I was noncomittal about Dag at this stage, since that's what my post actually says. Don't misrepresent what I posted by referring now to just the first line.

In that post, I said (1) Dag should have posted more content. Then I said (2) we shouldn't blow little things like that out of proportion.

Then.. I gave Wizard some advice I thought would be more use to him than wondering about a little, most likely inconsequential point.

That was the point of my post (obviously) and I believe that was most relevant to the question Wizard asked us.

Here again is my actual post. You may wish to make it sound accusatory if you want, but we can all see it wasn't.

Again I'll ask what content were you expecting from Dag when at the time it was all hello posts? I had given a post with advice and he made a quick joke as others did and then said it was good advice. What should he had written that others also didn't but you have glossed over? Rich made a joke post about my post also and had no content to that point.

 

[Kashta]

Lady G has been viewing a lot but hasn't posted much.

Jspigs, this has been addressed already but it's a good point to highlight. A lot of people view the thread without posting. That in itself is not scummy because we all do it and we should. It takes time to go back and review and we should spend time doing that. It's a real good way for townies to catch something scummy we didn't notice the first time.

It also kinda skews things against some while overlooking others (who may be scum) if we focus too much on something like that. Most players are generally hidden so you never see when they're on the thread.

Another thing is the names listed "currently" as viewing the thread may not be there at all. That listing is stale. Some may have left the window open and just walked away, as others have posted when this issue got raised before.

What many folks may not know is the name still appears long after someone closes the browser window too.... it takes one full hour for a login session to close automatically. So someone listed as "viewing now" may be that they were simply viewing it an hour ago. Their name just didn't drop off yet because their session is still active.

 

[IceH2O]

I have a few questions about this post Ice after looking back at some of your earlier comments.







I don't get why you are mentioning why you "might" put the gun in the hands of a new player when that is exactly what did not happen. The only reason I could see you even mentioning something like that would be to essentially say "the gun is in a vet's hand so I can't be scum" type thing. Also what does the part about I wouldn't choose players that are hard to read for the slinger mean? The slinger wouldn't have to wonder about them because they are "them". What do you mean by wonder about them?

It doesn't make sense to me to have so many contradictions in your posts about why you "hypothetically" might choose a new player when it has no bearing on the game unless you are just trying to make yourself look like you can't be scum. You give all the hypothetical new player pick reasons you go and say "I actually think most all of us would choose a top player as 1st slinger for the reasons already said."

Why bring up all that "hypothetical" when it really has no bearing on what has actually happened in this game?

As for why I posted I'd have put it in a new players hand take what you want from it.

For the bolded part. I'm saying that as mafia they wouldn't choose a player that is hard to read to be the slinger. This causes the slinger to have to wonder about the hard to read players. which makes the game harder for the slinger.

 

[the wizard]

OK, I am seeing some posting coming along and that is good.

However I am beginning to think that the few questions I asked were not the right questions. ( I would still like to see the answers though)

Let me ask the town this, and that includes you scum too.

If YOU were the gunslinger, and had to take your shot right now at this very moment, WHO would you shoot and WHY?

 

[Jspigs]

I would shoot Ice because he keeps talking about who he would have picked when that does not change anything or help the town. It also makes it seem like he is trying to draw suspicion away from himself by saying he would not have chosen the wizard. .

 

[jpappy789]

I'd shoot Ice probably...he's dangerous when both mafia and a known innocent. Something more scummy might come along where I would feel comfortable risking the fact that the person may not be a good choice for the next slinger if I miss and they are innocent. But at this point everyone is still about 50/50 so if I had to choose now I would want someone who is going to most help the town if I'm wrong. Even Kash could be substituted in there but at the same time Ice is one of the players that's slightly leaning on the wrong side of the 50/50.