Mafia 80: Ghost Hunters

Hmm, you make a valid point. I would have never even noticed the change in my reasoning like that. creepy. Lets see if i can decifer my own thoughts...

I was looking at it from the point of veiw of the murderer. They would want to remove or ally the best players first, and early in the game before those players can make a stand. Cause what if those players were right? They would need to change stance to keep the murderer alive. So, if I was the murderer i would get the best players first, then, after that, go for those who can change their stance or are already going for innocents.

Hope that helped in some way or another...



Well, when you put it that way... I was throwing around names, which was more, is more, then most if not all the rest of the town has done. I had nothin to go on ecept my bad memory of other games, so i did da best i could. If you want to vote me for at least trying to look under stones, do so!

It was definitely short sighted. I chose, from the top of my head, who i would have picked. I also asked who others would have picked, as far as i know, no one answered that part of my post except JP, and his answer was tha he wouldn't know who he would pick.

Ok, so instead i'll do what the rest of the town was doing, nothing. I would like to note that most of the people who came and read my posts went for me and seem blind to most other stuff. I was digging. The rest of you were not. Am i gonna be attacked for digging and giving out opinions now?

If i was the murderer i would have chose at least 1 of them, even if i said their name, cause that would make them look innocent if i died and turned evil. Not being the Murderer, i told the truth, thats who i would pick.

Note to self: Next time your playing a mafia game and the town is dead silent, just do as they do and stay silent. Because actually doing something paints a target on your back.

You will most definitely hear my thoughts as time goes on, trust me, that will only be a problem if the town continues to attack those that speak up. Then i will just have to die again and again.

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You lost me at "attention"

True, that is a pretty big hole in my logic. I was srta thinking that by day 2 (maybe even b4 day 1 ends) there would be more to go on. But if there wasn't, then yes, go for the ones you think would have been chosen by the murderer, which IMO would be the vets.

Another hole, but this one minor. If it was a newb, then as the newb got advice, the town would be able to tell who was getting said advice.

Another hole, my theory is starting to look like swiss cheese :D Yes, if you see someone you think is scummy, go for it. What i was saying was pure speculation on what i would have done and what i though others hay have done if evil. It was not based on any posts at all.

yes, i do think a vet would take that long, after all, these people would be their teammates for the entire game, you must choose carefully and not make a dumb mistake. Vets would know better then to impulsively choose a teammate. The murderer must first look at all the options, and then decide who would be the best match. Is this player a enemy so you can distance and have it look natural? Is this player someone who you get along with to avoid arguments? Would this player be helpful or a potential time bomb? Can this player hide if necessary? Can this player change their mind and not be called out? Can this player stay quiet and not be called out? Has this player already made a stand against your team or yourself?(not as important that early, but for later knowledge). And most importantly, who can make looking like a team seem natural and unconnected? Those are the things i would consider before making my choice, before adding anyone onto my team. Its a lot to think about, so i assume it would take a long time. And thats why a vet would take that long to figure out who to choose. A newb would be more likely to be impulsive, not taking their time or reviewing such questions, just choosing a teammate cause their name sounds cool.

Now, i have several thoughts right now. First thought: It seems that both you and wiz are after me, now, as my thought process describes, you two would be a perfect mach. You can agree without many people noticing, and your both vets so you can also make minor distancing and maneuvering without it being noticed. So answer me this: Why is it that wiz came in a went after me, then you come in and do the same thing?

Now, i wonder what the responses will be? This is not a BS post, i have tried to answer all of your questions truthfully. I have put my thoughts out there as well, so now lets see how the town rips it apart.

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Wow, FF. That was a very detailed and thorough response from you.

I'm quite impressed, actually. The answers you gave satisfy all the questions I posed very well. I seriously doubt I'd even be able to respond to my own questions that.. succinctly.

Now, who are you really... ??

And what have you done with Fishfriend? ;) lmao.

I am sorry, btw, if you feel you're being picked on by me. You just happened to be the first person who produced a rather detailed theory along with a whole laundry list of suspects for us to lynch, and in order of priority...... that naturally attracts some attention your way, as it also raises questions.

The main thing I'm most curious about now is this:

Could you please tell us WHEN you came up with all those detailed strategy considerations about the murderer's pick possibilities?

Was it last night while you were busily posting silly nonsense in the game thread about you and your stepbrother. Was it last night after you told us goodnight in the game thread and were (presumably) going to sleep? Was it early this morning before you went to school around the time Lady G made that "shiver" post? Or was it later still during a time we already know the murderer and their teammate are able to communicate with each other?
 
If G hand picked rolls for this game it has be her first time. She has said many times previously she has her girls draw names from a hat. I'm sure she'll clarify when she gets back from work but I'll be surprised if she hand picked anyone.
 
If G hand picked rolls for this game it has be her first time. She has said many times previously she has her girls draw names from a hat. I'm sure she'll clarify when she gets back from work but I'll be surprised if she hand picked anyone.

That's true.. thanks. I remember her saying that now in several games.
 
just got home from football, long flipping day. Forgot to quote it, but I was thinking the same thing Kash, it was definitely interesting that it happened not long after the switch.
Nothing has really stuck out to me yet, as most of this has been the ussual D1 stuff.

G/0With a walkthrough tommorow instead of normal practice I should be able to post some more before nightfall, but I'll try to check in periodically. I'm off to go do homework, hooray for all honors! G/O

ps. FF did you skip school today for mafia? You must have the best school if you can post so much.
 
Can't help but notice this morning's chronology of posts. There's a point where the fluff stopped and serious game mode kicked in.

Around the same time SOMEONE felt a shiver, FF, you decided to start throwing out names.... and a very short list of names, at that.

Three questions for you, FF:

1. Why did you decide this morning to get all finger pointy on us?

2. What makes you think you can guess who I (or the others) would pick... overlooking any other possible considerations?

3. And based on your own stated rationale (ie choosing between vets only).... do you mean to say you don't consider Chill, Rich, Lab Rat, or Noods to be a vet?

found it, this was what I was refering to.
 
alright well I'm back from my classes and off to catch up.
 
I guess you can flip a coin between myself and Wiz if you like. Or you could build a case around G saying a "cold chill". How often do you not find me suspicious on day 1?

I'm not seeing much likelihood of FF being the turn he could be the murderer I suppose but I haven't seen much to go on yet.
You're totally right here, Chill. I do like to suspect you on day 1. Wiz to come to think of it. But lots of others had already jumped on FF's crazy so I thought I'd put it out there.

Well, no one else is posting, so I'll add this. Then I'll be back later today.

This next part leads to some questions I have from vet players who were active in these games before I started with game #50.... Those people would be Chill, JB (I think?), Noodles, Pappy, and Rich.

In between the last game and Lady G's signup thread, I wasn't planning to join this one. But I liked the format and theme a whole lot so I wanted to read through the original Ghost Hunter game (#47) that Lady G posted about in the mafia thread. (I generally find the old archive games more interesting than the current ones, so I was going to see how well I could find scum as I read the old one without using a spreadsheet/etc. That's part of trying to do this better but spend less time analyzing everything than I normally would.)

In game 47, the ghost hunters were: CJ, Ice, DirtyDawg (under an alias Rickets), and JohnLarson. The Doctor was Ogre. And the Murderer was Opicana. Among the townies were: Noodles, Lucky, FireDancer, Rich, Pappy, Dangerdoll, and Tibs.

From this list, I see a lot of past and current vet players as ghost hunters. (Not sure if CJ was a vet then or not.) My impression is that Ogre and Opicana were also vets at that time, but both played a less vocal game than many of the others. There were a lot of vet names in the innocent townie list, too.

Were there any relative noobs in that game?

I didn't end up reading that whole game but still flipped to the end of it to learn the outcome because I decided to sign up for this game instead.

In this game now, with Lady G as our mod under the same format.... the number of players we have now is pretty close. They had 13 players and we have 14 players. So I imagine the breakdown of roles as a ratio should be about the same.

Does anyone see anything worth noting from the game 47 setup that might help us make reasonable inferences in this one?
I was only in a handful of games before 47, Kash; and I don't remember being in that one if I was.

I also agree that it would be un G-like to hand pick a role.

I'll go back through the thread a little more thoroughly when I get back home.
 
While I still have your attention here, FF... why don't you answer a few more questions for me.

Also welcome viewpoints from other players as well about how you think we should proceed with our lynches.

--> This game started with 1 evil who gets to recruit evil teammates and a whole bunch of non-communicating townie PRs. As you seem preoccupied with a focus on vet players over noobs, are you suggesting that we systematically start killing off vets one by one, hoping to find the murderer and possible turns? (I ask that because, if so... then who's to say that approach wouldn't result in the town helping the murderer by eliminating a good number of likely ghost hunters along the way?)

--> Even if this was the initial strategy for a noob/rookie player in the role of murderer, don't you suppose that strategy would be expanded upon and refined a bit once the murderer started recruiting veteran teammates and benefitted from the advice they would contribute based on people's game play, even on Day 1? So if that's the case, what do you say we should do for the first few lynches... kill vets? Kill noobs?

--> Wouldn't it make better sense for us to actually look for scum based on player posts and actions in the thread rather than follow your ideas based on nothing actually backing them up?

Dang it... I just thought of another question.

According to the rules, whoever got the murderer role was supposed to make their first choice at the start of the game. FF, you want to suspect me, Wizard, Pappy, and JB for some reason. So answer me this: Wizard and I.. and Pappy... and JB were all on the thread last night after the game started. And so was Lady G. If as you've suggested, our first choices would be so obvious that you could easily "guess" them so well all by yourself.... why would you imagine that Lady G didn't make her "shiver" post until the following day?

Do you not think a veteran player getting their role assignment as murderer in this game... already knowing (before the game even started) that the murderer submits their first pick and the ghost hunters submit their first investigations at game start from the signup thread... would have been able to submit that recruitment without much delay?

Given the timing of Lady G's post... doesn't it seem that the murderer must have taken quite some time to decide who they would choose first?

Does that still lead you to believe the murderer must be a vet player?

Wouldn't a rookie/noobie player as murderer likely take a little longer than a vet might to make their decision and get their PM sent to Lady G?

One thing that surprised me when I looked at the last game was the number of ghost hunters. Systematic votes are much more likely to hit a hunter than a scum so my recommendation would be looking for something more concrete then theories based on what someone else might do.

As for the amount of time between the beginning of the game and G's shiver announcement it's hard to draw any conclusion as we don't know how much G was on last night. So we don't know how long she had the PM before she signed on in the AM.
 
I just got home from my 2100 mile odyssey back from NJ to Texas (not a drive I recommend taking by yourself with only a dog, cat, and 2 bettas for company). I'm exhausted but I've read up so far. My brain is not firing on all cylinders, but I really didn't see much to go on so far. If I'm understanding the format correctly, there are only 2 scum to find at this point; that makes day 1 tough. Would be easy for low posters to hide. That being said, FF's aggressiveness and list starting/WIFOM arguments are what has stood out most.

Ok, so Ice isn't playing. Fail. Ok, so just take Ice off da list.

Ok, so my list of people i would choose if i was evil still stands. Wiz, Kash, JP, or JB. Then Labby, and after that i would just start picking people who weren't being noticed.

FF, I know you've addressed it already, but I wanted to say it struck me as very odd that you would put out a total WIFOM list this early in the game. Also, why would you have not noticed Ice is not playing?

I was just thinking Donkey

LMAO!

Possibly, in the event he did get the murderer role, to through us off by picking from the beginning of his list instead of the bottom?

Look at the order of his list he says he would choose from. Notice the last name on his list. This is the player he has been most successful with when he is evil.

That is a good point. If FF is indeed the murder I could totally see him picking JB. But that is more WIFOM.

g/o starting to be some closures and power outages around town if I disappear I'm not laying low - I sign up to play and I play regradless of my alignment g/o

I don't have anything much better at this point...you just sound a bit too much like Labby so I thought I would comment ;)

I'm flattered!

Igor is giving us a bit of a beating

g/o Take care Chill, I hope the worst is past and you and your family are safe g/o


Some other thoughts...FF, I was impressed with your responses as well. Honestly, my brain is too tired to process them fully and thoroughly so I cannot comment on them til I re-read them tomorrow, but they looked well thought out.

Where is Piglet? Tigger is bouncing all over the thread (though in a well controlled manner).

Also, does anyone want to unpack for me, or do wc's on all my tanks? I will pay $20.
 
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