Mafia 80: Ghost Hunters

[the wizard]

I should also mention that my concern was that if Noods was the murderer could the scum team increase their numbers now.

 

[Lady G]

Vote count..

Bally-(1)-UN, Noods

Raz-(1)-Pap

Noods-(0)-Kash, Ninja

Pap-(2)-Kash, Wizard

Night fall in 2 hours

 

[RazzleFish]

Still trying to make sense out of yesterday's posts and have not brought myself all the way up to current yet.

Forgive me if you have already answered this but, how was nightfall not bad?

It could have been worse but,IMO, it was still pretty bad.

Hopefully, with the way votes were spread we can finally start learning something.

I am not saying it was good or anything even close to that I was just trying to be optimistic about nightfall and focused more on what else could have happened but didn't.

on Bally I see them as a innocent. Bally just seem desperate and in need of encouragement right now as for Razz im not sure I will go back and read some of her earlier post.

Razz is a he lol!

Could you also back up why you thinkbally is innocent? Many people think otherwise

Razz-if u go to pg5 then pg6 you notice Razz leaves and pappy shows
if u go to 64 then 65 you notice pappy shows and Razz leaves just seems to coincidental.

Bally-I never suspected him before and I saw no reason to change that. Just think he needs some help and encouraging comments.

also on 86 to 87 then Razz is in for one post for 88 and leaves again suspicion.

also in 97 he post one thing notices pappy and leaves

What? How about instead of directing us to pages that may or may not match up between settings, you actually pull the posts and show us what you are trying to say?

I hope people read these post and say is there a pappy Razz relation? is Razz afraid of pappy? Does Razz think pappy is on to him and leaves when pappy is around? questions questions.

I am not afraid of Pappy in the slightest. If I were scum, then yes I would be but I am not so no.

I for one would like some answers Razz Pappy im giving u the floor to prove that there is nothing going on with u two and that it's just luck.

So what do you want to hear? Any questions you have? I can't answer your questions if I don't know what they are.

I think it is probably coincidence, but as we have all been posting Razz has been kind of scarce.

Sorry NP, page 49 it had jpappy and razz posting at the same time around each other.

Back to razz, I read all of his posts and yes he is quiet, which doesn't look good. But also a majority of his posts have had interest in rich whom I'm finding hard to read atm. Razz, why are you suspecting rich when not many people can read him this game?

Honestly, I was canfused, tired and cold (Strange heater situation) and honestly it was OMGUSy of me. I couldn't find anything and I jumped on something that I shouldn't have.

yes so im wondering if Razz is scared of pap or something

or pap is on to Razz and Razz is avoiding conversation.

that make sense but it seems like he trying to get pappy of his back to avoid future questioning.

on second thought maybe he is just annoyed with pappy so he is ignoring and avoiding him.

How many times are you going to mention the "Razz Pappy" situation?!?!

As much as the timing with Bally's excuses/reasons and what actually was posted bothers me, I want to give her the benefit of the doubt...for now. And although I still suspect Hay he is somewhat trying to help.

Razz, on the other hand, hasn't posted since right after last nightfall and my feelings on his vote switch to FF still stand.

I vote to take the soul of Razz

That's understandable.

I think it might help the town if we put out our updated thoughts on players.

I know it is a crap shoot with the turns in this game but from what I see posted in the game,

Razz- I am not liking his absense. I also doubt his ability to get a read on Rich which he hasn't even bothered to replay to in two days.

Might as well go with Rich next. Due to my stand on Razz, and the fact that Rich seems to be his only suspect, I am going to lean Rich as innocent.

UN, tough to call, not sure I am ready to say he was lying. Kashta coming out makes sense as to why they didn't turn him. The scum would automatically assume Dr had protected him last night.

Hay- I was concerned with the way he was posting and suspected him D1 only switched back to FF because of pride, I could not let go of the mistake I made in GS game. Leaning Hay to the scum side even though some of his posts do appear helpful.

NP (piglet)- I don't see him as scum at this point. I think he just needs direction and time to understand the inner workings of the game. Look at the effort he put in when I asked him a question directly.

Chill- I am not sure. I will leave him as neutral for now.

Bally- As I posted, I will give her the benefit of the doubt at this point and lean her just innocent of neutral.

Kashta - As it stands right now I am going to believe her RC.

JP - His posts are helpful and it looks like he is kicking bushes. Have him as innocent.

Noods - Not posting a lot. I was concerned D1 about her alignment, but the posts she has made recently do appear to be trying. I am having trouble remembering how she plays it has been awhile. I will therefore, as with Bally give her the benefit of the doubt for now.

That just leaves the Wizard, salt of the earth. The kind of guy you wish your daughter would bring home instead of the losers she is hanging out with. Should be voted Mayor of ACville. :grinyes:

Razz- My vote is there with reasons. Also would like to add in the thing Wiz said about him suspecting only Rich out of left field. Seems more OMGUS than anything.
Chill- Hard to say. Seems to be helpful and asking questions.
Rich- Never can get a read on him
Bally- I'm still bothered by her play
UN- 80% innocent
Wizard- Like Chill he seems to be trying to help out the town at the very least.
Kash- 80% innocent
Hay- Going back and forth between scum and unsure. Some things that I've pointed out make me question but he seems to be picking up his play
Noods- sometimes I forget she is playing. Not much digging from her.
Ninja- posting mainly nonsense and chatter. Can't say either way but at least he is posting.

Yupp......

It would take more time than I have to pull all their posts to show you everything I have worked out this morning. For now... let me begin by introducing my suspicions and attempt to correct some erroneous conclusions we've reached.

I believe Noodles is the murderer.

From the start, Noods expended more effort notifying us about her continual absences and updating us about her computer issues, her work demands, her bleeding husband, and her dire need to fix dinner or vaccuum the carpeting (of all things)... and other nonsense, posting one excuse after another to inform us why she has so little time to play... than anything else. All this to excuse her lack of participation during the earlier part of the game. Within the first (approx.) 250 posts of the thread, she had made only 5. Heck, even the game mod had already posted more than that.

Yes, I'm sure she's been quite busy.... who isn't? Even so, she was also hiding out and keeping a very low profile so we would overlook her.

I picked up on this at the time but have counted her among too many suspects and other side issues which also drew my attention for me to sit back and examine her contribution (?) individually and follow up with this.

Then, at a crucial moment in the game... I also failed notice it was Noods who got us all to make a huge mistake: our misinterpretation of Day 1 nightfall events.

I did not put this all together until a short while ago.

Keeping the final vote count in sequence here as a reminder, she nicely withheld her vote until the end. And these votes, I'll come back to in a moment.



After FF was dead... innocent townie, we read this:



Yes, that was me injecting Lab Rat with Dose #1. I took this writeup to mean it changed her from one side to another. And the final remark "only time will tell" (which was actually a telling clue from the mod) to mean Lady G wasn't going to tell us Labby's role. In fact, what it actually meant was I've got a slow-acting serum.

Lab Rat was not the murderer's first choice as partner from game start as we've thought all this time. (I'll tell you who I believe this is as well... keep reading.)

When nightfall began, Lab Rat was innocent -- right up until the moment I injected her. I was the one who turned Lab Rat evil; not the murderer. (Looking back, she was also probably one of our ghost hunters at this time. The hunch I acted upon to dose her....... more a PR vibe about Lab Rat than her being scum.)

Next came the evil hit. And guess what? The evils (2 of them) also targeted the same person I had just stabbed in the neck --> Lab Rat.



This was evil recruit #2, which according to the rules is a guarantee. 100% result.... claiming the victim to the evil team. This "turn" was not the 50-50 chance later targets would be.

No wonder Lady G had some quick details to work out in a hurry... Lab Rat was both my target (to turn her) and Noodles' newest teammate -- both at the same time.

Here is Nood's initial response after "game on."



Here, Lab Rat died from her injection and her (new) role was revealed.... several minutes after nightfall was over and Day 2 began.



Noodles went on to incriminate Wizard (innocent) for leading the votes against FF (innocent/dead). She nicely included JB (also innocent) in this, which only suggested we suspect him as well.... feeding our concern about the interaction we'd seen between JB and Wizard.... just before she tried to disappear again (back to her scumden).



Before leaving... a quick reaction to Labby's death.



The mod came on to answer our questions about a turn getting killed from an event that can only turn her.



The murderer shows she has heart with a nice comment to consider poor Labby's feelings. But also note what else she managed to work in with this post. She added her "spin" on the events to confuse us into thinking Lab Rat was her 1st turn instead of their 2nd turn.



Asking this question the game mod wasn't going to answer... she lead us to believe Lab was the other turn.

I vote to take the soul of Noodles. She is the murderer.

More to follow about the real Turn #1.

Wow... Reading a role claim and then a claim of knowing the murderer is a little too much to take in ATM.... I need to think!

Razz- Have not heard much from him at all today. Still no clue what he meant when he voted for me.

Chill- Leaning innocent right now. He seems to be hard at work kicking bushes.

Rich- I have no trouble getting a read on him at all. Hell of a photographer too.

Bally- I can see some sincerity in her posts at the moment. She could be pulling the wool over my eyes. She would not be the first to pull that kind of defense. She is my second choice for scum right now.

UN- going to believe him for the moment.

Wizard- I have no choice but to think he is a townie. Has been hard at work picking out scum.

Kash- I see no reason not to believe her.

Hay- Still on the fence about him. The time zone change makes it hard to interact with him.

Noods- She has been very quiet but I see nothing disturbing in her posts.

Jpap - you guys say you cant read me, he is like a blank slate to me. Not sure what to think.

Piggy - I have as innocent. He is trying just needs to do some learning. We all started somewhere.

I couldn't help but comment on this. At this point in the game I hadn't posted anything so why would you say you haven't heard much from me? I don't know how you could have heard anything from me!

gotta agree with kash I vote to take the soul of noodles

Ninja, please wait if you have time. Don't just follow someone because you believe you can trust them.

There is a lot more for me to say that isn't even written out yet and a lot for everyone to consider before making a decision.

i re tracked my vote on the soul of noodles

:newbie:

Bally, thank you for explaining this again. I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt for now - I retract my vote to take Bally's soul.




Wow! Kashta you are way off base. I am absolutely not the murderer, but if it takes my lynch to prove that and hopefully help lead us in the right direction then I am ok with that.

In regards to my posts explaining my absence, etc, if you actually think about it, this is something I have always done; when I sign up to play a game I feel guilty about not having enough time to play and I guess it makes me feel better if I explain myself. if it bothers everyone that much I will stop.

I'm sorry folks. I need to double-check other details before I can proceed with what I was going to say. I'm not sure how long this will take, exactly.

Truly, I didn't expect this.

In all fairness to everyone and in the town's best interest, I can't continue yet until I can first make sure I've considered everything that needs to be looked at.

For now: I retract my vote on Noodles.

So one simple responce and you take it all back? Again I don't understand.....

razz is one of my prime suspects as well but in all this mess we have forgotten hay it seems. I still think hay is scum possibly the murder but i dont think that more a troubled soul.

in all this mess with razz hay has backed out an hid rather nicely in his faver so i think he is scum.

ive thought so from the beginning and i still do.

Again..... More talk about Razz before I can get a chance to respond.


As for my absence I am sorry. I had a super busy weekend and have had absolutly no time to get on the computer. I am tired and I still have a little more to get done before I go to bed so I will stick around for a little bit to answer questions but I probably will not be able to stay until nightfall...

 

[Ninja Pigs Rock]

It is difficult to explain but I will try. Kashta has been playing against these people for a long time. She has a pretty good grasp on the game and even though she is human and can make mistakes she digs a lot into trying to track every thing before she makes a post.

Jp has gone to great lengths to discredit what I have been posting. The only reason I can see for that is that it is pretty close to fact.

As Chill posted earlier in the game it isn't so much the question but the response to the question.

I kinda see ur point but when i voted with kashta she then posted for me to take it back seeing as she was unsure of it now she still thinks that that person (noods) is a scum but u seem to disagree with her this counteracts what u are saying about her being correct most of the time.

 

[user_name]

From the start, Noods expended more effort notifying us about her continual absences and updating us about her computer issues, her work demands, her bleeding husband, and her dire need to fix dinner or vaccuum the carpeting (of all things)... and other nonsense, posting one excuse after another to inform us why she has so little time to play... than anything else. All this to excuse her lack of participation during the earlier part of the game. Within the first (approx.) 250 posts of the thread, she had made only 5. Heck, even the game mod had already posted more than that.

I agree with you about nood's post quality Kash, but your scenario seems unlikely. Maybe you are telling the truth about everything, but I'm having a hard time seeing that scenario.

Bally- She is my second choice for scum right now.


Hay- Still on the fence about him. The time zone change makes it hard to interact with him.

who's your number 1 then rich? In your list these were the only 2 players you were suspicious of.

gotta agree with kash I vote to take the soul of noodles

Ninja, please wait if you have time. Don't just follow someone because you believe you can trust them.

i really trust no one in this game but u made some valid points and as the doc u have yet to be wrong

first off NPR, you shouldn't believe everything that people tell you. For all you know, kash could be lying about her role.

And NPR she posted mostly what happened on nightfall, and your saying you agree with her. What do you agree with specifically? And why?

Way too much RL crap going on today, I'm getting distracted with babysitting. Hopefully I will be able to reread without any distractions....

 

[Chill]

JP pointed out in the write up the attempt on Kashta came first. I had not remembered that when I posted.

I'm responding as I come to em - with the exception of Kash's which I will need to read a couple of times.

I do think people are reading too much into G's write up I'm disinclined to believe she would give any clues.

Piglet don't take my comments too seriously - I'll give you a hard time but it's all in fun.

 

[rich311k]

who's your number 1 then rich? In your list these were the only 2 players you were suspicious of.

Razz was at that time. He may still be I am thinking and rereading at the moment.

 

[jpappy789]

Not much to say right now expect the town is going to be in a very bad position if this is what is to come since two of the more talkative people at the moment are so sure I'm scum...I must be having a really off game compared to the last couple when we did so well as a town.

I think people are confusing what I am saying as trying to protect or discredit. I am not someone who is going to blindly follow someone just because they RC. I do not see much hard evidence for some of the conclusions people are coming to and I have to question things I see as illogical.

 

[the wizard]

I kinda see ur point but when i voted with kashta she then posted for me to take it back seeing as she was unsure of it now she still thinks that that person (noods) is a scum but u seem to disagree with her this counteracts what u are saying about her being correct most of the time.

Don't get me wrong, she is very smart. We are two different people and different people see things differently.

 

[jpappy789]

I helped the town as best I could Pappy by giving them the most information I could confirm. I've tried to be as fair and accurate as possible, considering as many angles as well.

If you don't believe that... vote me, turn me, or kill me. It hardly matters which way that goes in my case anymore.

I assumed you were referring to how I pushed UN into outing himself and my response was that him being lynched or if not being a suspect the next day because he was being cryptic and confusing would have hurt the town more. Obviously at that point I didn't know you were the doc and that the scum were on to you.