Mafia 92: Night of the living Mafia... the play

[Madcrawdad]

This has to be the most overused term in mafia. Tell me Mad, who isn't innocent or mafia at this point? Only mafia know who is who. Are you sure your vote on Razz is on mafia or could they be innocent? Speaking of your vote,if I'm not mistaken its for being overly helpful. Isn't that what your zombie post was about,helping?

For being hypocritical and stating the obvious in a mode of attack.



I vote to lynch Mad

And which term is this "overused" one that you are referring to?

As far as Razz's alignment, I'm not sure that he's scum, but he's the best I've got right now. As I said in an earlier post I don't follow his logic, and faulty logic can often be a scumtell... He did/said something that doesn't make sense, based on something else he said. While trying to blend in, scum often throw this tell.

You, on the other hand, made up a scenario in your head as to how some players could be either innocent OR scum, and decided to call them on it.... Huh? Based on the scenario that you've created, you've decided that they're either mafia OR town, yet you feel the need to say "I've got my eye on you!"

Right now, everyone should be innocent OR mafia in your head, and you should be watching everyone. Why single out three, when you really have no more information on them than you do on anyone else?

 

[Madcrawdad]

@ Ice

Doom asked a question of you in post 124 that you seem to have passed over. Care to respond?

 

[Fishfriend1]

First off, I want to post this before I lose my train of thought.

The below post i pulled for the content of FF's post as this is the one he was referring

Ok. No it isn't satisfactory. I need to go back and reread as I have seen much that caught my eye. There may be something there or there may not.

However, FF, you keep saying that Ice was over defensive and attacked you and JM and the post I pulled first is the one you say he did it in. Maybe I am blind but I just don't see it. It appears to me that he just answered a question. You stated that your post to him was more of a joke, yet you kept harping and needling.

That on the surface would appear as though you were trying to keep it in the forefront. Kind of like if you post it often enough then more people would get it stuck in the back of their head and think that way.

What I would like from you FF is to explain it to me as if you were explaining it to a 5 year old how that post was defensive and attacking you and JM.

It appears to me, that he answered JM's question then asked if JM and you were worried.

Wiz, I can see how you would think that, and you're starting to turn me to your point of view, but I still think that Ice turned it around on us way to quickly, as if he was trying to scare us away. Think about it, Ice is a major vet. He could easily create a case against Jm and myself. He could probably get the case to go through and lynch us both. So scaring us away like that (if it had worked) would have been a brilliant plan.

Either way, it looks like you've got it covered....we're either innocent or mafia.

Okay, and that helps us how? Sounds scummy to me...

Still a lot of folks who haven't said much, other than to just check in. Sure would be nice to hear something from them.

Mad, is this post trying to say that the low-posters are scum? Or are you really concerned?

After going back through the thread there are a few issues that concern me.

I wish JB weren't so secretive about how many scum we are facing since the number of players involved in what concerns me is pretty high for them all to be scum.

My first concern is that JB clarified the zombie allegiance issue, yet, we still have players discussing if or how zombies should use there hit clear up to almost this evening pacific time. They are also discussing who would or wouldn't want the zombies to use their hit and why.

At this point in the game all that discussion does is muddy the water and distract from hunting scum.

Personally, I think that at least one maybe two scum keep popping in on that subject for that very reason. The question is who. It does appear that Mad has been very involved in that discussion but, reading through his posts I cannot state that his involvement was for the purpose of distraction. Some of his posts in that discussion were in answer to questions or pointing out contradictions in other player's posts.

I would be more concerned with the players that have been either popping in to ask a question after it appears that subject has died down (and I need to go back through and check the timing of those posts before I can get a good feel of it) or contradicting himself in his own post.

Wiz, I do agree with you there. People reviving the Zombie issue is concerning, as it has all been clarified and whatnot. And it does do nothing but muddy the waters.

Okay, the zombie conversation had pretty much died down then these four posts hit the thread.

CN, why did you feel it necessary to start this up again? especially after it had been clarified by the game mod so long ago?
The timing of this post is not very pro town IMO.

Now JP and Rich could have just gotten sucked back in on this by CN's post but it is hard to be sure. JP is good enough to revive a subject that distracts the town with out it being noticeable.

Can't be sure about these two. Rich doesn't post big posts so it is harder for me to read him as well although I am not getting a scum vibe from him at this time.

My bet is that one of them is evil and was trying to reinforce CN's comment. But my bets do tend to be wrong...

This has to be the most overused term in mafia. Tell me Mad, who isn't innocent or mafia at this point? Only mafia know who is who. Are you sure your vote on Razz is on mafia or could they be innocent? Speaking of your vote,if I'm not mistaken its for being overly helpful. Isn't that what your zombie post was about,helping?

For being hypocritical and stating the obvious in a mode of attack.

I vote to lynch Mad

Scariest thing is, Ice, I agree with you... I retract my vote on Ice but will continue to make note of his actions and posting. I vote to lynch Madcrawdad (great name btw) for muddying the waters with hypocrisy and a completely useless, divertive statement.

 

[Madcrawdad]

Okay, and that helps us how? Sounds scummy to me...

Scummy how? By pointing out that Ice's scenario has 3 people being innocent OR scum, yet he finds them interesting?

Mad, is this post trying to say that the low-posters are scum? Or are you really concerned?

It's a text-based game. Weeding through what people say gives clues to their alignment. People who aren't participating aren't helping other players determine an alignment either way.

You're not concerned that a good number of people haven't really been participating?

Scariest thing is, Ice, I agree with you... I retract my vote on Ice but will continue to make note of his actions and posting. I vote to lynch Madcrawdad (great name btw) for muddying the waters with hypocrisy and a completely useless, divertive statement.

Please expound.

 

[rich311k]

So lets see,

Wiz and Mad have I think agreed that everyone is either scum or a townie. I would have to agree with that as well. They just dont think the other thinks the right away about the fact that everyone is mafia or town. FF agrees with Ice's way of looking at everyone being good or bad and voted for Mad, since FF does not like the way Mad looks at the fact that everyone is stink or clean. Git it clear as mud.

For now I vote to lynch JM. His was some logic that just completely escapes me.

 

[the wizard]

I need to vote before going to work as it is doubtful that I will be back by nightfall. The problem is, besides it being D1, there are too many things that don't set right.

After the game started getting more play oriented and less D1 banterish, we have JM and FF going back and forth about if FF is a vet or a noob. Could be distancing, could be nothing.

We have the zombie issue being rehashed after it was clarified by the game mod, IMO that subject was distracting for the town and scum used it to blend in. The question is which ones were distracted and which ones were blending.

LR's first post was a statement that the game was off to a fast start and she didn't know what to think about that, her only other post was an observation and vote for FF. We have yet to see a question from her. That isn't normal.

Need some more coffee and to think a minute.

 

[Fishfriend1]

Okay, and that helps us how? Sounds scummy to me...

Scummy how? By pointing out that Ice's scenario has 3 people being innocent OR scum, yet he finds them interesting?

Saying you find someone interesting is basically saying you think they are scum. All I see ice being guilty of is bad wording and not commiting himself to his little diddy about them.

Mad, is this post trying to say that the low-posters are scum? Or are you really concerned?

It's a text-based game. Weeding through what people say gives clues to their alignment. People who aren't participating aren't helping other players determine an alignment either way.

You're not concerned that a good number of people haven't really been participating?

Of course I am, I was just asking a question. I was justy following your post farther down. 1 + 1 = 2, so if they aren't posting much, and if not posting is bad, then that means you think the all the low posters are evil. At the time of your post, that would have been Kashta, Lab_Rat, C-Note, User_Name, DangerDoll, TwoHobbies, Razzlefish, Doomsday, and Tankhobbiest. They all have 6 or less posts, and Kashta had 6 or less when you posted your comment. That would be half the players, right there. Are all of them evil?

Scariest thing is, Ice, I agree with you... I retract my vote on Ice but will continue to make note of his actions and posting. I vote to lynch Madcrawdad (great name btw) for muddying the waters with hypocrisy and a completely useless, divertive statement.

Please expound.

Explain? Well, I can explain it, but you may not understand... You're post 122 stated an absolute nothing. While I do think Ice is playing a very aggressive game this time around, I also think that you are scummier. He, at the least, stated he was watching those three people. You simply confused the waters by narrowing in on the wording of Ice's statememnt. Yes, he said "Mafia or Innocent" (not exact wording) but we're all smart people. We can make the connection between "watching someone" and thinking they are evil. What was concerning, now I look on it, was that Ice didn't commit to the statement. He left it to hang, more so then actually following it up.

Well, now I've managed to argue against my previous vote a little... urg, you know it's pathetic when you convince yourself of something. And I bet you guys have no idea what I'm talking about do you? Anyway, I retract my vote on Madcrawdad (still love that name ). I'm now undecided between you and Ice, as both of you have good arguments against the other.

 

[dirtydawg10]

Disagree with you too, Dawg. I'd say it's less likely a zombie would nail that last remaining mafia member in the end than it'd be they help the scum kill off last remaining innocents. They could even hit a PR along the way which would certainly help the scum.

Based on that, what I wonder most about this is if your post is genuine. I don't think you actually believe what you wrote there. Are you hoping to throw others off track with this?

So you don't think the zombie hits should be used?

Don't follow your logic, Dawg. Non-communicating innocents who aren't good at avoiding the town lynch would typically make poorer choices trying to identify scum.

Blue - Don't know if it's true or not, but my feel for this is the mafia wins more often than the town does. It doesn't matter as much that there are fewer numbers of scum players.... the fact remains that it's very hard to figure out who they are after they've had a chance to place their hits to kill off and silence their biggest threats in the game.

Red - I also wouldn't count on there being some lingering allegiance to the town when it's clear that a town win results in a loss for the zombies.

JB clarified that all innocents when lynched will get a zombie hit...including PR's. Next you imply again about how hit's shouldn't be used and finally agree that once the Townie is dead they can't be expected to maintain alliance with their former team because they are now zombies. So which is it? I think you are trying to stir things up here and confuse issues. It is clear now that the zombies form their own team. I think everyone is set on that. If I was a zombie and had the chance to take out a mafia for the win or an innocent for the win I would be gunning for the mafia. Why are you trying to convince zombies that it would be easier to take out the innocent team for the win than to take out scum?

 

[Fishfriend1]

So lets see,

Wiz and Mad have I think agreed that everyone is either scum or a townie. I would have to agree with that as well. They just dont think the other thinks the right away about the fact that everyone is mafia or town. FF agrees with Ice's way of looking at everyone being good or bad and voted for Mad, since FF does not like the way Mad looks at the fact that everyone is stink or clean. Git it clear as mud.

For now I vote to lynch JM. His was some logic that just completely escapes me.

Can I put that in my sig when the game is over? It makes me laugh.

 

[dirtydawg10]

I need to vote before going to work as it is doubtful that I will be back by nightfall. The problem is, besides it being D1, there are too many things that don't set right.

After the game started getting more play oriented and less D1 banterish, we have JM and FF going back and forth about if FF is a vet or a noob. Could be distancing, could be nothing.

We have the zombie issue being rehashed after it was clarified by the game mod, IMO that subject was distracting for the town and scum used it to blend in. The question is which ones were distracted and which ones were blending.

LR's first post was a statement that the game was off to a fast start and she didn't know what to think about that, her only other post was an observation and vote for FF. We have yet to see a question from her. That isn't normal.

Need some more coffee and to think a minute.

So what are your thoughts on Kash rehashing this zombie stuff?


FF, your number one suspect up to this point was Ice. Then you retract off Ice and vote with ice. Can you please explain why you have now aligned yourself with your previous #1 suspect?