Mafia 92: Night of the living Mafia... the play

[the wizard]

Okay, the zombie conversation had pretty much died down then these four posts hit the thread.

No zombies should have their own interest at heart. Why should they care about letting the town win if they lose? If the town wins then anyone who was a zombie loses. If someone was a townie and then was changed to mafia they would be expected to go with their new team and not have a town win mindset.






well they should pay attention the next days events, especially if they are unsure on whom to use the hit, because there is a 24 hr window to cast the hit.





would you prefer that he had just let the question go and ignored it?
I fail to see how answering a question is "defensive''

CN, why did you feel it necessary to start this up again? especially after it had been clarified by the game mod so long ago?
The timing of this post is not very pro town IMO.

I took it as once they decide to use the hit as in they already sent it in. Also I'm pretty sure JB already cleared up that the zombie's have until the next nightfall which is not always 24 hrs.

I think the mafia would want hits, The more townies killed the better it is for them. I do not follow that logic.

Well, seeing as the only way the zombies can win is by use of a hit I would think it would work in both the town and the mafia's favor for them not to use the hits at all, if you're speaking in the grand scheme of the game. Obviously an individual hit can benefit either depending on the allegiance of said hit.

Now JP and Rich could have just gotten sucked back in on this by CN's post but it is hard to be sure.JP is good enough to revive a subject that distracts the town with out it being noticeable.

Can't be sure about these two. Rich doesn't post big posts so it is harder for me to read him as well although I am not getting a scum vibe from him at this time.

 

[Kashta]

Wow, kinda jumping in there aren't you, Ice?

So, Ima be tthe first to say my reasons I may not be here: i gots me a job! just gotta fugure in ma new hours with the game, but it shouldn't affect me in the game much, besides mssing nightfall from Wed on. Job starts wed, I work till 10pm at the latest, so... anyway, exuses over, lets get kraken!

Haven't decided yet if FF seems scum or not.... but his overblown so-called case against Ice is just plain silly. I saw no defensiveness on Ice's part whatsoever. Also agree with a statement Mad posted that Ice mentioning who he intends to watch closely like that is quite Ice-like.

Sometimes just poking at someone or posting a few names reveals valuable info from the player they wouldn't have let slip otherwise. Other times it prompts other players to reveal a connection to someone who got named that they wanted to keep hidden.

 

[Kashta]

I was just wondering why you thought you should be watching those three after only a few posts in the thread. maybe its just my nature, but I usually like to look into people a bit more than what would be a "check-in" post and some other banter.

Later...

Ice, don't you think its kinda early to already be "watching" 3 other people?

JM, isn't that what watching certain players is?....... just another way of looking into people more. What difference does it make whether someone (Ice in this case) lets us know who they are watching?

 

[Kashta]

actually, FF...with the series of events being posted like that, Ice's logic seems to be a bit clearer...mafia would not want the zombies to take their hit because 1. it lowers the amount of innocents they can hide behind, especially if some of the 'controversial' players are taken out in OMGUS zombie hits and such, and 2. the zombies are competition to win.

Totally disagree with JM that the mafia wouldn't want the zombies to kill. I think the opposite is true. Zombies have no intel to work from and each lynched townie will base their choice on arbitrary stuff depending on each individual's thoughts/impulse.

This is a numbers game. Even when any given zombie tries to kill innocent or evil, the odds are highest that they will land on an innocent rather than scum.

 

[Kashta]

At least that's what JB's clarification leads me to believe. With that said it would probably be easier (due to typical game numbers) to kill off mafia than to kill off all the innocents. Then as you described before it may not be easy to tell who's who early on. I would not hold it against a zombie to kill someone on the innocent team in order to give the zombie team the win. That's not helping the mafia it's helping the zombies.

Disagree with you too, Dawg. I'd say it's less likely a zombie would nail that last remaining mafia member in the end than it'd be they help the scum kill off last remaining innocents. They could even hit a PR along the way which would certainly help the scum.

Based on that, what I wonder most about this is if your post is genuine. I don't think you actually believe what you wrote there. Are you hoping to throw others off track with this?

 

[Kashta]

Editorial: Kash... I loooooove your new sig line. It gave me a warm fuzzy feeling. Also, I'm a purist... Romero zombies for me, if that gives you guys any inkling as to my thoughts on zombies in general and why they are set up the way they are in this game.

Glad you like that, JB. I liked it a lot and hoped someone else would be tickled by it too.

Cheers!

 

[Kashta]

I agree with you Mad, on the part in bold. I would think that a zombie would try and take their best shot at killing scum with their hit. For two reasons, less mafia to take out for the win and some sort of allegiance to their original team in case the zombies can't pull off a win.

Don't follow your logic, Dawg. Non-communicating innocents who aren't good at avoiding the town lynch would typically make poorer choices trying to identify scum.

Blue - Don't know if it's true or not, but my feel for this is the mafia wins more often than the town does. It doesn't matter as much that there are fewer numbers of scum players.... the fact remains that it's very hard to figure out who they are after they've had a chance to place their hits to kill off and silence their biggest threats in the game.

Red - I also wouldn't count on there being some lingering allegiance to the town when it's clear that a town win results in a loss for the zombies.

 

[Kashta]

First of all there is no way a zombie hit early in the game could win, or help win the game for the zombie team. A zombie win could only come from a hit late in the game.

Second is a question.
A townie lynched becomes a zombie....Does a townie hit by a zombie, become a zombie?

1st point - disagree. Even random kills early in the game would give the zombie side more info about roles other zombies (and the mafia) will use to make better choices as targets as they each get their chance to kill someone. So that would help them win later in the game. The only way the town will benefit is if zombies hit scum (either by good aim or by mistake).

2nd point/question. My opinion of your question, 2H, is it's really a fluff thing. I believe you're raising that question for no actual (worthwhile/helpful) reason.

Maybe you just figured out something you could ask so you asked it. But does this really need an answer? I don't think so.

The rules are straightforward. We already know who and how zombies come into this.

 

[IceH2O]

Either way, it looks like you've got it covered....we're either innocent or mafia.

This has to be the most overused term in mafia. Tell me Mad, who isn't innocent or mafia at this point? Only mafia know who is who. Are you sure your vote on Razz is on mafia or could they be innocent? Speaking of your vote,if I'm not mistaken its for being overly helpful. Isn't that what your zombie post was about,helping?

For being hypocritical and stating the obvious in a mode of attack.



I vote to lynch Mad

 

[jbradt]

Vote count:

Razz: (1): Mad
Ice (1): FF
JM (1) Doomsday
FF (1): Labby
Mad (1): Ice


No votes: everyone else

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