Mafia 92: Night of the living Mafia... the play

[jpappy789]

whatever pappy.... I saw it as that, that's the point of the game.... to post what you perceive and this is what I perceived. You say tomato, I say tomato

So expect to get called out for false perceptions...your previous explanation was far from satisfactory. Apparently asking for clarification only results in a "whatever"...

 

[the wizard]

I did not call Rich scum for that post. I said that there was no need because I had suspected JM as well and voted JM.

I have no problem voting CN or Ice. I wrote that because I had just got home from work and had to read 9 pages for day 1. I skimmed rather quickly and hadn't seen much of the slips or inconsistencies because I didn't feel like I had time to cypher carefully through each post and come to a decision. I just noticed Noods pointing out the slips and thought it odd because I saw her make one or one that could be considered a slip herself. She asked me to gather those posts and I did. [/B]

I didn't spend nearly as much time on Noods as I did for Kash who kept rehashing the zombie business and JM for his misdoings. I said my gut was to vote Kash but I voted JM to save the trouble for Rich.

you sir, are twisting my posts very cleverly though.

You said "being scum no need" if I mis read that then maybe you should have been clearer in your comments.

Now what it seems is that if I pull all of your posts that I will see Kashta and JM mentioned more than Noods. Is that correct?

I do not twist posts. I pull them and comment my thoughts on them.

Oh, and I didn't mention Ice. Just how you defended Razz and CN and went after anyone who mentioned them.

I think that having 2 of your teammates up for the lynch caused quite a bit of concern in the den. In an effort to control the damage, you stepped on a banana peel and are now desperately trying to keep from falling on your backside.

Since you mentioned Ice, I am not getting warm fuzzies about him but cannot find anything other than he was on Mad. If the game is still on after you and CN are gone then I would consider voting for Ice on a gut feel.

 

[Dangerdoll]

Let's be clear here, I never said Ice, CN, or Razz were innocent and I don't see where I have defended either one. On the contrary, I never trust Ice, CN has indeed been all over the place and Razz has been lynched.

 

[jpappy789]

Might end up calling it a night. Here's where I stand at this point...

Cnote- the jump on Tank's vote and subsequent discussion still bothers me as well as the apparent absence. 24 hours is an awful long time without a post and it is hard not to find it convenient that they were on the chopping block as well.

2H- the vote on Nood's initially caught my eye and I still do not understand why 2H would suggest that they voted for someone other than their top suspect, especially when the vote on Noods was a self claimed gut feel vote on a loner

DD- see previous posts. No need to rehash what has just been said...

Jm- Idk, some of his logic on D1 seemed off but I chalked it up to him just being rusty from not playing for a while. But earlier today he seemed too eager to take advantage of any opportunity to throw in scenarios where Nood's is not innocent.

Tank- although I find Cnote's reaction to their vote more suspicious I still do not see much logic in Tank's posts, especially when they called out DDay for not posting much content. Way too hypocritical for my liking, not to mentioned the prolonged absence is unnerving.



I hesitate to call this a suspect list this early in the game but I would probably choose a vote from this pool of players if I were forced to...

 

[the wizard]

Let's be clear here, I never said Ice, CN, or Razz were innocent and I don't see where I have defended either one. On the contrary, I never trust Ice, CN has indeed been all over the place and Razz has been lynched.

That must have been some brain storming in the den to come up with that rebutal. I didn't say you said they were innocent. You should read instead of skim when you are under the gun. I said you listed them as having understandable excuses when questioned. And now you say CN has been all over the place and Razz has been lynched. Yet Razz too was all over the place. Ice and Mad were the only two of your list of four that could explain and answer without contradicting themselves.

As I said, I could find nothing more than Ice's clashing with Mad so have not got him listed as a primary suspect. I can never read him well.

I think it would take a cataclysmic event for me to switch my vote you are having a difficult time keeping things straight.

What about the question I asked? Would I find that you mentioned Kash and JM more than Noods if I searched all your posts? That is since you weren't trying to build a case on Noods according to your posts today.

 

[the wizard]

JP, I do agree with some of your points on the concerns you have. I voted CN yesterday and had some concern that it would bite me on the butt as a lone vote. However, CN was my best suspect.

Therefore 2h not voting his best suspect did catch my eye.

To be honest I didn't notice Tanks posts.

As for JM I think he is rusty, don't know of his allegiance but DD and CN are my best suspects and if I am right on them, and the game is still going I think I would rather have JM as the last remaining scum than someone like Ice.

Just wish we knew how many we are facing.

 

[Lab_Rat]

yes, it is possible, but if that was the case a Razz/Noods team might make more sense...knowing that it would end up being a tie between C-note and Razz, which would lead to no lynch, Noods might have taken advantage of the situation and decided which to vote for. that would clear herself and hopefully C-note, because having two mafia up for lynch on day 1 is "slim to none". just a thought.

Not sure why you're hung up on a Razz/Noods team...while there is a very very small chance Noods could have pulled some scummy shenanigans and voted a teammate out, I think this scenario is highly unlikely. Not to mention, Noods tends to pop when pressured if she is scum, she doesn't seem to have anything to hide from what I can see. You're making me quite suspicious JM.

This is what I was thinking too however, it is not so clear as doing this on day 1 really is questionable. It's not unheard of but I would think this tactic would be save for a later date.... if there is no mob boss, what would be the point to this so soon.... unless it is just shakey nerves. I am still unsure about Noods.


the problem, Labby is that this has been done before so it's not completely ridiculous.

Not 100% ridiculous, but doesn't seem like a very good strategy, unless there are a billion scum and they feel they have room to sacrifice one. Not sure why you're so hung up on that slight chance Noods could be scum and have pulled her vote like that, but the fact that you're harping on it so much, when there are scummier things (such as Ice's play day 1 and the lone voters, C-note's disappearance, etc). Is this just a big distraction away from your teammates?

 

[Kashta]

Holy crap, I can't believe how long it took to review this. I've had 400 or so posts over 2 days worth of game thread to catch up, it's already 1 am, and I haven't even started posting yet.

Sorry, DD... I'm sure you'll call most of this "rehashing" again. Maybe you should just skim past my posts altogether since my game play irritates you so much.

:silly:

 

[Kashta]

Now i haven't played in a while, and I know that other games have gone on since my last, but I don't really think we should consider FF to be a "noob" making "noob mistakes". he has been in the game long enough to know what to say and how to. how long do we just dismiss the "bad judgement"?

How long has it been, JM? Or, if you remember, which game was your last one?

 

[Kashta]

Staying with JM for a moment. These are the 2 quotes from him I pulled before, but I goofed and put them together in reverse order.

Ice, don't you think its kinda early to already be "watching" 3 other people?

I was just wondering why you thought you should be watching those three after only a few posts in the thread. maybe its just my nature, but I usually like to look into people a bit more than what would be a "check-in" post and some other banter.

I've restored them to the proper sequence here. (Happy now, JM?)

........ to re-ask the actual question I asked that JM never answered. I wouldn't mind an answer on that, btw.

JM, isn't that what watching certain players is?....... just another way of looking into people more? What difference does it make whether someone (Ice in this case) lets us know who they are watching?

Here are (much) later posts from JM about this.

I knew something weird was going on in this post with the quotes...I don't know where you have been, or how quickly you skimmed through the thread, but that second quote in your post happened BEFORE the first. the first quote is post number #101, and the second is post #50. it was a response to Ice's response to my question to him. to me, it seemed odd that he was coming up with a list of possible scum that early, after only 4-5 pages of play. i then explained why, stating that i like to take more time and build up a better case before coming all-out with a scum list. Kash, messing up the order of posts to build a case is very unlike you...

My response.

Ok sorry. I pulled a ton of posts as I read through last night just before midnight. Tried to group them together into a few posts I answered/questioned. Didn't mean to jumble those up from you, but yeah it was late and I was sleepy.

I don't think the order made a great difference btw in what I wondered about.

Not only was JM unsatisfied with this, he proceeded to accuse me of doing it on purpose to make him look bad.

But it did make a big difference. posting those in that order makes me seem like a hypocrite instead of just honestly answering rebuttal questions.

if you pulled a ton of posts last night, then you should have known the order no matter what; that means you read the thread. those posts were very far apart...about 50 posts. knowing the level that you usually play, i would have to say that planting that little issue was deliberate.

So tell me, JM. When you typed that out, did you actually stamp your foot or pout while you were doing it?

Seriously, JM........ Surely you and I have played past games where I was on the mafia team before. Didn't I do a much better job being evil than THAT? If your claim were true, my brilliant mafia strategy would easily be unraveled completely merely by you or someone else pointing out that the 2 posts were reversed.

Curses, foiled again!!!!! lol

Looking back at the mix up and the actual question asked along with your weird, defensive, accusatory, over-reaction..... It still reads the same to me both ways.

Now, isn't it more accurate to say that you pulled your little hissy fit for two reasons:

(1) To make sure everyone noticed that Kashta screwed up the order, which means I was sloppy, and that suggests I must be scum... right?

And, (2) to also suggest that the big bad meanie, Kashta, deliberately tried (somehow) to set you up. Oh, you poor hapless innocent townie!

The last game I remember playing with you.... I pegged you as evil when I was innocent. And you were shocked that you hadn't fooled me. You posted after that game you were so sure you'd fooled everyone.

You wouldn't be feeling a tad....... ahem... intimidated, would you.... remembering that game too?

Just maybe, you DO have something to hide and you're wondering how well I can read you as scum. But you really needed worry too much, JM. Your team could always hit me whenever you want. Then I'd be gone and you could feel "safe" again.

Let's just get this out of the way right now, since I'm going to work again in just a few hours (without sleep) so I need to vote before I leave anyway.

I vote to lynch JM.

JM is scum. He's just not hypocritical while being scum.