Mafia 94: When Gingers Attack; the play

[RazzleFish]

Night 1:

Pir (4): Wiz, AAF, Dawg, Razz
Chill (1): Kash
Dawg (1): Plant
Plant (4): Pappy, 2H, Labby, Rich
Kash (3): Zaffy, Pir, Chill
2H (1): LG
Labby (1): DD

Night 2:

Dawg -5- Wiz(506) Rich(541) Kash(544) 2H(571) LG(598)
2H -4- Dawg(524) LG(531) Pir(545) DD(554) Dawg(637) AAF(632)
Kash -1- Chill(557) Dawg(618)
LG -3- Lab(561) Razz(585) Jpap(600)

Night 3:

LG -2- Razz(670) Jpap(728) DD(811) Pir(738) AAF(852) Kashta(872)
Wiz -8- Chill(798) LG(820) Pir(846) 2H(869) Rich(873) Jpap(892) Razz(893) Kash(895)
2H -1- Wiz(882)

Night 4:

Kash -6- 2H(928) Jpap(942) Pir(953) AAF(963) Razz(979) DD(990)
Pir -3- LG(955) Kash(962) Rich(967)
LG -0- DD(966)

I just thought it would be good to have all these in one place for easy reference.

 

[Lady G]

I then came on and placed my vote on Pir,

I like how you know what got Lab hit, funny thing is I am not and was not Jessica Rabbit..I wanted to find out who was the first to bring it up and use it against me, and it was you Pir...
So, my question to you is...now that it is out there that I am NOT Jessica Rabbit...what are your feelings on this...do you still think pretty much everyone agrees I am scum?
You see, I am usually pretty lynchable, and I am sure the Gingers counted on that fact and Lab gave them a perfect opportunity, they took it and ran...only they didn't know Chill had investigated Wizard and was going to come out with that fact!!

I vote to test Pir

This is subject to change, at the moment Rich, Doll and Pir are my top suspects.

Kash followed with her vote on Pir..

2H I mean no offense to you as a person, but that's the dumbest case anyone has ever made against me. Further, you calling Chill "Robin" to your "Batman" is ridiculous, seeing as it was you who interfered most with Chill's message. Chill KNEW Wizard was evil (confirmed fact). Instead of simply supporting Chill's message, you used that to exhonerate someone else. When you told us you KNOW Lady G is innocent, that was a lie... You "knew" nothing of the sort, you were merely conveying an opinion. Had Chill not been able to return in time and be questioned directly in the thread, Lady G would have been lynched instead -- because of your interference.

I wasn't sure where to vote before work so I had to wait. Now, it seems the town wants to lynch me and I can't even begin to address any of this. So be it.

I vote to genetically test Pir.

Since he's the only one with a vote other than me and I won't be here to save myself, even IF that would help.

AAF is the next on Kash...

sounds scummy that you'd vote him bc "Since he's the only one with a vote other than me and I won't be here to save myself, even IF that would help" if he is innocent you almost ruin our chances of winning. for now i vote to genetically test Kash

Doll comes on to vote me...

point 1

I was not pointing anything out aside from the fact that you have also used verbiage that is often used in the scum-den. I wasn't trying to make anyone do or think anything, just making an observation. Thanks for bringing it up..... so now we have 2H and G who have used verbiage that is typically used in the scum-den.

Right, what I was getting at, G.... is ok, how about we try it this way. Explain to me why you changed your vote off 2H? What did 2H say that made you change your mind about him?

This was my take, if I am wrong, by all means let me know where I skimmed. You said you didn't like that he said something about "hit's", he gives some half baked excuse and you automatically flip votes close to nightfall and add on to killing an innocent townie.

point 2
there was a word slip from 2H, that would be saying the town had "hits", and the incorrect wording was from you.... when you didn't not say your voting words right.



People are now working on trying to figure out who would have or would not have been turned when we haven't even figured out who's been here the longest yet (as mafia). It would be a crying shame if it turns out that G and 2H have been in everyone's faces dancing around, leading everyone by there noses while they are mafia.... a crying shame.

I vote to genetically test G

Then Rich for Pir...

I vote to genetically test Pir. I think he is more likely scum that Kash. I am also not liking the latest post from AAF, has me worried about him as well.

Razz, to Kash...

Kash, you've been playing way too long to know that this is flat out scummy. Even AAF noticed and it's his second game! Either your a ginger trying to give the other gingers a reason to vote for you or you are a townie who is giving up. You and everyone else in this town knows that that can't happen, Kash...



If you read the rest of that, you would've seen that I said in previous mafia games where I was scum, we could talk. So yes I admitted to being scum in past games.



Just for good measure, what specifically makes you think Pir is scum over Kash? Even with Kash's latest post?

Well it's getting to be that time... For right now I think Kash is scum. I highly doubt she would just give up if she were a townie. I think that that last post is what the rest of the gingers are going to use to pile on her and slide through. However, I still think she is scum so I vote to genetically test Kash.

Then Doll retracts and get's on Kash

thank G, and that is what I am doing.... the problem I am having is the push that seems to be going on in whether Kash or Pir would be selected to be turned.... or at least I saw some discussion on that. I am not willling to say either one is scummy at this point. Well, I could say that Kash is scummy, she would have been turned, she's an awesome player. But the problem with it is Kash's game is very different every game.... which is what makes her such a good player. Chill had voted for both of them, changing from Pir to Kash on day 1 so there is nothing learned from that. I do lean her on a scummy scale.... that said, I am wondering... there is one role for the townies left... initially, I wanted to vote you or 2H but I am second guessing because of that role. I know it's late to do it but I have to follow my instincts...

I retract my vote to genetically test G and vote to genetically test Kash

Not sure what to make of everything, but I thought maybe we could see something in the timing and placement of votes.

 

[Lady G]

UGH!! I was thinking we still had the investigator, I forgot all about Chill being the Investigator.....

funny thing is, the reason I changed my vote to Kash was because I thought G was possibly the investigator.... good thing I had that brain fart, huh

I see.

ok, if I am not mistaken, Chill had an investigation night one. Then night 1, he voted Kash and then changed his vote to Pir. Could this have been his way to let us know both were scummy?

I'm pretty sure if Chill had found any other scum, he would of let it be known without a doubt before he left us...he knew they were coming for him

 

[RazzleFish]

Not sure if it's anything but maybe something to note. AAF never once voted with Kash and only once voted with Wiz. Also interesting is that every night but once he has voted along side DD... It's late and I need some sleep but it sparked some interest...

 

[jpappy789]

Nice! I thought Kash was one of the original three but the turn works just as well, minus the fact that Chuck is still out there. On that note sorry to see you go 2H.

Will be going back to pick up on what I missed before nightfall.

 

[Lady G]

Final vote count Night 1:

Pir (4): Wiz, AAF, Dawg, Razz
Chill (1): Kash
Dawg (1): Plant
Plant (4): Pappy, 2H, Labby, Rich
Kash (3): Zaffy, Pir, Chill
2H (1): LG
Labby (1): DD

Night one, Wizard was the first on Pir, this night it ended with a tie...would Wizard really vote and leave his vote on a team mate night one? Although, Kash did have a few votes on her also and maybe they were hoping some would move their votes to her, it was to late to move his vote or he didn't want to look obvious? The only way I could see this is, if he left it there hoping it wouldn't go to Pir...but if it did, he did still have the serum to get a "replacement" team mate (could this be the real reason it wasn't used night 1)? If Pir did end up going, I doubt anyone would of looked at Wizard to much because NO ONE would think he would be the first vote on a team mate?

 

[jpappy789]

I think kash's attack of chill early on is a good indicator.
She did vote chill in that weird way.

I'll try to go more in-depth later

Would love to see your "more in depth" post Pir...however Kash is already gone so it wont do much good. What made you think her attacking Chill early meant anything?

You also have yet to answer my question as to where you saw that the PRs were in chat.

ok so im still on lady G. i mean think about it. why wouldnt Wiz vote lady G to save himself? bc she's chuck. if she was inoccent he wouldve voted her. i just dont get it. right now my list is pir or 2H, rich, and lady G ill have to read some more to choose.

I think Wiz knew he was gone either way with Chill posting more and more. Even if he would have voted for G it wouldn't have done much good.

sounds scummy that you'd vote him bc "Since he's the only one with a vote other than me and I won't be here to save myself, even IF that would help" if he is innocent you almost ruin our chances of winning. for now i vote to genetically test Kash

I don't like how you switched to Kash so easily after posting just before this who your suspects were, known of which were Kash. Did she tell you to vote her so you didn't go down with the ship AAF?

point 1

I was not pointing anything out aside from the fact that you have also used verbiage that is often used in the scum-den. I wasn't trying to make anyone do or think anything, just making an observation. Thanks for bringing it up..... so now we have 2H and G who have used verbiage that is typically used in the scum-den.

Right, what I was getting at, G.... is ok, how about we try it this way. Explain to me why you changed your vote off 2H? What did 2H say that made you change your mind about him?

This was my take, if I am wrong, by all means let me know where I skimmed. You said you didn't like that he said something about "hit's", he gives some half baked excuse and you automatically flip votes close to nightfall and add on to killing an innocent townie.

point 2
there was a word slip from 2H, that would be saying the town had "hits", and the incorrect wording was from you.... when you didn't not say your voting words right.



People are now working on trying to figure out who would have or would not have been turned when we haven't even figured out who's been here the longest yet (as mafia). It would be a crying shame if it turns out that G and 2H have been in everyone's faces dancing around, leading everyone by there noses while they are mafia.... a crying shame.

I vote to genetically test G

I have a hard time following your back and forth with LG, DD so please explain to me what all this is about scum den verbiage?

Kash, you've been playing way too long to know that this is flat out scummy. Even AAF noticed and it's his second game! Either your a ginger trying to give the other gingers a reason to vote for you or you are a townie who is giving up. You and everyone else in this town knows that that can't happen, Kash...



If you read the rest of that, you would've seen that I said in previous mafia games where I was scum, we could talk. So yes I admitted to being scum in past games.



Just for good measure, what specifically makes you think Pir is scum over Kash? Even with Kash's latest post?

Well it's getting to be that time... For right now I think Kash is scum. I highly doubt she would just give up if she were a townie. I think that that last post is what the rest of the gingers are going to use to pile on her and slide through. However, I still think she is scum so I vote to genetically test Kash.

I agree that Kash's last post was lame and I think it served two potential purposes: 1) to act as a reason for her teammates to vote there and 2) to not accidentally provide any info for the town

Her vote on Pir was a "safe" vote since she could explain it as a desperation vote. It serves no indication as to what Pir's role is...

thank G, and that is what I am doing.... the problem I am having is the push that seems to be going on in whether Kash or Pir would be selected to be turned.... or at least I saw some discussion on that. I am not willling to say either one is scummy at this point. Well, I could say that Kash is scummy, she would have been turned, she's an awesome player. But the problem with it is Kash's game is very different every game.... which is what makes her such a good player. Chill had voted for both of them, changing from Pir to Kash on day 1 so there is nothing learned from that. I do lean her on a scummy scale.... that said, I am wondering... there is one role for the townies left... initially, I wanted to vote you or 2H but I am second guessing because of that role. I know it's late to do it but I have to follow my instincts...

I retract my vote to genetically test G and vote to genetically test Kash

What push did you see on Kash and Pir being the turn?

and on a related note funny how Kash did end up being the turn...

VERY interesting how you can conveniently dismiss your "suspicions" of 2H and LG and turn around and vote for Kash when she was already a goner because you "forgot" that Chill was the investigator.

Alright well it got quiet fast... Lets see if I can get some opinions going.

Removing Kash and 2H from the votes last night you are left with 5 people (Jpap, Pir, AAF, myself and DD) all on Kash and 2 people (LG and Rich) on Pir. The number of townies is 5 while the number of scum is 2... Coincidence? So LG and Rich, why didn't you move over to Kash? Didn't you feel that her last post was scummy?

Alright now the remaining players:

Razz- Obvoiusly I know my role
DD- She was the last one to jump over to Kash... While I'm glad she did, the kill vote (Pappy please check my math ) was already posted.
AAF- I'm not sure I can see him as scum quite yet. Yes some of the things he said were not very pro town but he is new... What I do find interesting is how he seems to pick up on something and then as soon as anyone disagrees or questions it he drops the whole idea.
Jpap- Honestly being the kill vote on Wiz, I can't see him as anything but a townie.
LG- I have suspected her from early on but with 2H, I kind of dropped it. However, 2H has been wrong before, and she left her vote on Pir tonight which makes me go "Hmmm"
Rich- He hasn't sparked too much interest over the game but 2H did want to see either him or Wiz lynched and he was right about Wiz... Also, he left his vote on Pir.
Pir- Not too sure... Yes he voted for Kash but it's not like he could do a whole lot more. If he voted for a random person it would have caused a stir.

So that's where my thoughts lie... Anything I've missed? Anyone want to talk about the 5 on Kash and 2 on Pir with 5 townies and 2 gingers?

Seems to easy IMO for them to vote like that. Pushing for Pir does not seem like the best move, trying for Rich or even 2H would have been smarter. I definitely think there was at least one ginger on Kash.

im someone who really doesnt like to argue.

Really? I haven't noticed. I think it was Rich who already said it but I agree with him...you haven't been one to stir the pot much. You are going with the flow and I think that is a problem at this point, especially when you said something around nightfall about posting to root out scum but have done little to offer up any original ideas yourself.

I see what you're saying... My thoughts now could be that for some reason Kash had to leave the game and instead of UD, she voted and then she was lynched likely to help clear the other gingers. I could see that happening but then I think that what if Kash just UD, then they could lynch an innocent in her place and still get their hit. So two innocents and it only cost them one ginger. Unless the only other person being looked at was also scum? So could Pir also be scum?



I saw this too and I meant to ask after night but when we got a ginger I forgot all about it so I'm glad you caught it G.

The time I see Kash UD as part of an evil strategy is the last time I play a game with her. She is a much more competitive and calculating to resort to such a tactic. I truly believe the last post of her was purposeful and meant to do something.

Going back to restart the day, 2H votes Kash first Obviously he was innocent. He did come back and post about how Kash didn't mention Wiz or comment on anything he said as his reason...


Then Pap votes her..he didn't go into detail here, but he had mentioned her a few times.


Next up was Pir...


His reason...because she attacked Chill early on, the thing is she had to be the turn, so she would of been innocent early on.

He never did come back with a "more in depth" reason, could this be the start of the team mates? No votes were on him at this time.

Yes, I was somewhat rushed today with my vote as I didn't get much time to dig but was pretty sure on Kash already. Her push for Dawg and then her reluctant switch to Wiz is what sealed it for me. The last three (at the time) were what I was having trouble over but again I couldn't devote much time to connecting the dots when I voted.

Night one, Wizard was the first on Pir, this night it ended with a tie...would Wizard really vote and leave his vote on a team mate night one? Although, Kash did have a few votes on her also and maybe they were hoping some would move their votes to her, it was to late to move his vote or he didn't want to look obvious? The only way I could see this is, if he left it there hoping it wouldn't go to Pir...but if it did, he did still have the serum to get a "replacement" team mate (could this be the real reason it wasn't used night 1)? If Pir did end up going, I doubt anyone would of looked at Wizard to much because NO ONE would think he would be the first vote on a team mate?

I may be wrong but I am pretty sure Lab was the very first to vote Pir. Wiz was second but JB's final vote count doesn't show Lab's retraction.

That is why I find it hard to believe Pir is scum despite the game he is playing. But I wouldn't put it past Wiz to jump on a teammate early, especially since we now know that it is very possible that the serum wasn't used because he wasn't around before nightfall.

 

[jpappy789]

Oops meant to say last TWO, not three.

Anyways, so my current thoughts don't get lost in that lengthy post:

DD- pushed for 2H (same with Kash) before N3 although she stayed on LG who she has been pretty focused on until almost the last minute when she switched to Kash, after she was toast
AAF- convenient that he is able to do a 180 and vote Kash after she made that blunder of a post
Rich- still hard for me to get what about 2H made it so easy for Rich to think he was innocent at the time he said it originally, also his vote on Pir worries me
Pir- not sure if Wiz would risk being the second vote on Pir but that doesn't exactly dismiss the scummy things he has said
LG- the late switch from 2H to Dawg still nags me and it is still possible the vote on Pir was to direct attention away from Kash
Razz- the PR serum talk was odd at the time and his posts right after N3 seemed off to me

That is probably a close order as to how I would rank my suspects as well. I can start to see why 2H said he could make a weak case for anybody.

 

[rich311k]

I defended 2H as innocent because I knew he was using lynch and hit interchangeably and he frustration level was so obvious he had to be innocent.

Would Kash vote Pir to help him or to get all of us to pounce on him or most likely he was the only choice. Not sure. I think Wiz would vote on a teammate if it worked into or enhanced the mafia's plan.

I also see DD's behavior as the reddest. She did fight against 2H and Chill to almost the end.

I want hear something from AAF beside what the person before him said or that I am picking on him.

 

[allaboutfish]

ok if i could get on the computer id quote a couple of original styff. i know no one else said anything else about kashs post where she tested pir until i said something so hows that not original? i was so quick to vote on kash bc i was leaving to go eat and watch a softball game so i had to hurry up and post a vote since i didnt know how well my phone was going to work (i dropped it and cracked the screen). i will contribute more "original" ideas when i can get on a computer. and i mean im here with a whole bunch of experienced players how am i supposd to think of something thats not already said?