Mafia 94: When Gingers Attack; the play

[Dangerdoll]

2H, if the town was confused by it, what makes you think the gingers are all rocket scientists?

or are you insinutating that the gingers are vets...... or the gingers are behind you..... why so cocky this game?

 

[Lady G]

Sorry I wasn't able to get back on here yesterday everyone...had to many things going on. Anyway, going to read and get caught up now and will answer/question as I go.

 

[rich311k]

2H, if the town was confused by it, what makes you think the gingers are all rocket scientists?

or are you insinutating that the gingers are vets...... or the gingers are behind you..... why so cocky this game?

How many do you think where confused? I was not. I understood the rule from the start, I beleive at least one other stated they understood as well. It is pretty obvious 2H understood it. I do not think we can really draw anything directly from that conversation, it did keep people talking though and kind of got AAF nervous.

 

[Lady G]

Clarification:

Jessica's vial will not kill Jessica. It will either kill or turn a townie. Sorry if that part wasn't written clearly.

Thaks for the clarification JB. So, there was no threat to Jessica and unless they thought that it would can not be the reason it wasn't used. There still are many reasons for it not to be used on night one IMO...they could of just wanted to cause confusion as to why it wasn't used (look how much it has), maybe they were waiting to find PR, waiting to see how each player is playing this round, Jessica wasn't around, they just forgot about it..really, unless you are them there is no way to know why it wasn't used.

The way I read it is that the person it is used on is either turned or killed. The scum would have noting to worry about as they will either get rid of a townie or gain a ginger. JB, could you please explain how that works?

I don't see why they wouldn't aim for a PR. If they have the chance to take one out, what would be keeping them from doing it? However, if the syrum can kill jessica rabbit, I would agree with you.

Yep, it would seem you were correct about how it works.
As for not using it on a PR, I would think if they knew a PR they would just hit them, and use the syrum on another townie in hopes of either getting lucky with another PR and taking 2 out in one night or gaining a new team mate/just killing off another innocent. Yes, I realize the syrum will kill a PR and they can use their hit on another innocent taking innocents out...but if they do it that way they loose the chance of gaining a team mate.

too much disscusion on the syrum. we wont get anywhere talking about it.

By talking about it, we may be able to draw something out of someone...although, when it takes over everything and no one is looking at anything else, yes it can hurt us I agree.

 

[TwoHobbies]

2H, your posts did not answer my concerns. I do believe that everyone cares about how many scum there are, however, I did not question you on that. I simply asked if G caught you in a slip when you were discussing the matter.

What really concerns me is that you seem to have everything figured out by D2 even though we have not genetically tested any scum yet. I am concerned that you seem to be on the defensive side.

You have made some pretty bold claims for this early in the game.

Ok, and I believe it's a good way to waste the towns time. I think just about everyone believe's it's 3, and if we had three hits tonight it would matter, but we have one. I say you stop worring about the number of Gingers, and start looking for Chuck.

So my theory means I have everything figured out?....not to me it doesn't.

 

[RazzleFish]

My belief is that there were no Gingers on the board last night. That's why the syrum wasn't used. The gingers had little to no chance to lose a member.

Vote count as of 3:40


Vote count as of 7:39, no one new except me. It's likely that the decission was made (if not before) somewhere between these two votes to not use the syrum.


Vote count as of 8:08 no one new, same seven.


Vote count as of 8:48 Lab added.


Vote count 9:00 final, some moves, but no one new


JPap posted after my original post that I didn't really eliminate many, and he was right (only 2) so I moved the list down to 5. One of those will get my vote tonight.

I was new on that list.... 2H, what made you not count my vote? Did it not mean anything to you? In the quote you pulled from right before, JB even said I had yet to vote, but you missed it? I know it may draw some attention to myself but I would like to know why I was left out.

 

[RazzleFish]

The more people who comment on my theory of the syrum, the more I see the flaws in it (Being my theory). I guess it would make more sense to try to gain a member, rather than just kill townies. Alright so I tried to get a different angle and it got me nowhere. I agree with the those who explained their thoughts to me about Jessica Rabbit. Using the hit on a PR and the syrum on a townie would be the best option for the mafia team but regardless, it is not good for the town.

 

[Lady G]

I have to wonder what the big deal is that Kash mentioned Wiz's RL name. It's listed in his avatar spot so maybe she just feels comfortable using it. I don't know..... maybe I am not feeling ultra paranoid about it, again, I don't know.... I don't see the point of why it is being brought up continually though, and yes, I do realize that G commented about it too, this post was more convenient for my thought though...

When I am on the mafia side of the game, my way to play it is to choose a townie who I think will be most likely a PR AND/OR someone who will keep everyone guessing. I wuld think I am not the only one to do that when playing the evil role. To take out the biggest threat would be a big mistake IMO, to me, a biog threat could also be used as a big advantage. I think that we cannot side with thinking mafia will take out a big threat as part of their reasoning.

As far as Kash using Wizards real name..yes it is under their avatars...but I have to admit it through me off as well, not enough to vote her no...but it did make me wonder. Any time a player does something completely off it catches my attention, I can't fault Lab for asking about it. Do I think it was a BiG deal, no..but it was out of the ordinary.

I totally agree with the taking out the biggest threat not always being the best way. Personally, random or someone you think may be a PR is my way.

So what should we talk about AAF? Wouldn't you agree that talking about the syrum is better than talking about nothing?

Yes, it is good to talk about and may bring something out...but when it is all everyone is looking at it can hurt us.

I disagree...I think the scum should use the serum to kill the PR and save the hit for later.

:lol:

They get a hit every night as long as Chuck is still kicking.

Has JB confirmed that? The way it looks to me with the / between them, it could be on the night they use the syrum they do not get the hit?

I know but I still don't think they should use the hit...they should use the serum instead

i agree

G are you bad or just drawn that way?

:lipssealedsmilie:

Lot's more I need to catch up on and comment on, but I have to go for a bit

 

[TwoHobbies]

How can you be so sure? Why the vote switches if all the lead vote getters were innocent?



Again bringing up the serum not being used. 2H, it would appear to me that you have been trying to distract the town. You make bold statements with out any evidence.

You brought up the scum not using the serum twice. It then became a topic that pretty much dominated the thread today and where did that get us? Did we uncover any deep dark scum secrets?

On a final note, you have yet to actually state why you voted Plant. JP gave his reason, LR gave her reason and Rich stated his reason. You on the other hand said something like this shouldn't come as a surprise.

Your play has not been very pro town IMO.

I'M NOT SURE. Where are those sparkly letters!

You sure like using that "Bold Statement" term a lot. So you first say I'm following others thoughts with my posts, then when I post mine you say I'm wasting the towns time. I can't seem to win with you, what exactly do you want of me?

I voted plant because she missed that you hadn't posted when she called me out. I thought that was because you and her were talking outside the game thread.

And what exactly have you done, except try to get the town to chase some easy targets?

 

[TwoHobbies]

Ok...for the sake of my sanity maybe I should have decided to just go to bed instead of attempt to post here. I apologize if any of my thoughts are unclear or jumbled but it is hard for me to restrain from trying to analyze things.

I'm going to end it on my thoughts as to why the serum wasn't used.

1) They didn't "need" to attempt the turn

This plays into both 2H's and Razz's theories although I acknowledge they are somewhat mutually exclusive ways of thinking. I could see how not having a likely chance of losing any scummates would make it less prudent to try and gain another member. But it still would act as a benefit even if there were no scum up either so that wouldn't explain why it wasn't used, necessarily.

2) Whomever is Jessica or maybe the whole team just forgot or didn't come to that decision in time

I think this is a pretty likely scenario that people may not be considering, at least not within the thread...although I think Chill mentioned it too.

Personally, I don't think the use, or lack there of, of the serum is going to play much if any role in my vote. It would require too much guessing to attempt to understand what is going on behind the scenes.

I agree with this entire post. It is very possible that the forgot, although with this group I think the odds play that they chose not to use it. Just my oppinion of course. It of course is also possible that Jessica wasn't around when they did want to use it.