Mafia 94: When Gingers Attack; the play

[the wizard]

And I have no idea why Dawg would single out Rich and not mention me. I will totally own the fact that Razz's thought on it made no sense to me. Still doesn't. Do you see why Razz's thought about the serum's use makes me suspect him? I was not trying to get into anyone's head. The discussion about the serum is discussing game strategy, not trying to get into an individual's head.

I didn't mean that you were but when you see posts that start with "If I were scum I would...." that is exactly what we don't want the town to do we want to kick bushes.

Crap I gotta go I won't be back before night fall but will be here for the night fall this weekend.

 

[Kashta]

If I am also looking at the posts of Dawg's you are referring to I do not see any mention of him saying that he "cleared" Plant before night. Can you please pull those Kash?

Exactly. That was my point. Dawg did not "clear" Plant before night. He waited until after Plant died to reference your vote, where he said:

" .....for "low post" theory which turns out was not exactly Plant's theory. This was determined prior to nightfall. At least by me anyway..."

After seeing Dawg's post, I tried to find where Dawg had made that "determination" PRIOR to nightfall or where he told us anything that showed he had changed his position about Plant BEFORE night happened. There's no such post from Dawg that I could find, either. In Plant's regard, it seems Dawg has played both sides against the middle.

 

[Lab_Rat]

Actually, I just went back and looked and DD was one of the ones really pushing 2H, not Dawg. Dawg called 2H out when 2H used "hit" instead of "lynch". Can't blame Dawg for calling 2H out for that, though when I read it it didn't seem like as much of a scum slip as it was a frustrated townie.

 

[dirtydawg10]

Dawg, I was talking once again about the number of gingers, answering Wiz's question. WE are the town. Am I really that hard to understand?

I was talking about you saying HIT...the Town does not get hits the scum do.

I do not know guys. I think that 2H is a little or maybe a lot off track but I am no finding it hard at all to follow his references. I can feel his frustration with getting his point across. I do not think he is right but I also do not think he is scum.

Dawg I am getting a bad vibe from you. You are grabbing every little thing said by 2H and saying this or that is not right. I find it hard to beleive you did not understand what he was saying.

I understand what he was saying. He does not understand what he was saying. He said hit...the town doesn't get hits...the scum do. He has played the game long enough to know the difference. I think he slipped up.

 

[RazzleFish]

WARNING: This post turned out A LOT longer than I thought it'd be!

I pulled this because you pretty much sum up my thoughts on this so far...


You may of answered this by now, but as I said I am posting as I go but, Plant you say there is (IYE) 3-4 gingers...in the rules it does say 3 so why the "3-4"? You note that they have a 1 time 50/50 chance of changing one, so I know you read the rules...just wondering how you missed the fact it states how many there are?


Was I skimming? There really wasn't anything to skim at that point Wizard...I came to the game, saw what JB had posted with a game on so yeah I asked about where the roles/rules were (when I typed it, he hadn't posted them) when my post posted, he had.

I know this has been brought up quite a bit, but....really Pir how can you play a game without even looking at the list, that's a pretty important part of the game dont ya think?




WOW, I know you have been known to say/do some really out there things in these games, but seriously Pir?


/go/ Thank you Doll/go/


Seriously...are you also saying you don't think the rules are correct?

In these two posts, she questions Pir but never follows up on his reply.

LOL, keep reading G, you will see where my mix-up came from. I know tend to agree that we are likely dealing with three.

:lol:


Thanks Kash !


2H, if you had these thoughts on Chill last night...why wait for someone else to post about it before commenting?


Well, it ended up they didn't take anything...but left a beer can in her bathroom trash, which is how she knew someone had been in the house. She doesn't drink beer and no one had been over...really creepy!






Even after seeing in the rules and JB confirming all roles were in the rules you still say "likely"?


Ok, you have a list but don't want to share...I love these kind of posts (j/k) why even bring it up?



How does "saying" you have a list make it a "not out of the blue" vote? You couldn't just say why you were voting?

Then she question 2H. She seems to continue jumping on 2H but never brings Pir back up... IMO Pir was more scummy at the time.

So at this point, after all the agreeing, disagreeing, agreeing w/disagreeing, disagreeing w/agreeing, disagreeing w/disagreeing ect...my head is pretty much going in circles!
I found the exchange between Lab and Doll a bit odd, I took both of them as joking around at first then I realized no...that was not the case. Lab say's she didn't realize Doll was joking and that may be true everyone takes things different at different times, but to me at least it was pretty obvious. Not vote worthy IMO...but worth watching I believe.

Plant, the who posting over and over that we need to post, adding a post count and everything else on day one...when posting was happening...not sure what I make of it.

Pap, seems to be going from person to person "jumping" on everything.

2H, not sure I like the way he seems to be following others thoughts.

Kash..her vote to Chill when others really hadn't posted much of anything helpful was kinda out of nowhere.

Pir, has said a lot that looks bad..but with him that happens pretty much every game and others reactions to his posts bring more interest to me then his actual posts. Of course his posts warrant questioning, but when someone takes it and runs that is what gets my attention.

Not really sure where my vote is going to go at this point.

Then she explains that Pirs posts weren't that bad... If they weren't scummy why was he up for a lynch?

I vote to lynch 2H

2H, you came on saying how there could be more then 3 evil (after someone else mentioned it), you questioned Plant even telling her to "re skim" the rules after she said something about 3 PRs, after JB even said the roles are in the rules you still said it is "likely" 3, then followed Kash's thought on Chill not adding your own thoughts, then after Pap votes Plant, you do?

Now back to 2H... Trying to shift attention off of Pir to 2H?

I need to reword my vote....I vote to genetically test 2H


It is 8 central


It's annoying as heck!! After the last upgrade to the site, it just does that now

This has already been questioned but I think it needs more. LG did someone in the scum den tell you that your vote wouldn't be counted like that? With no votes between these posts there were no clues in the thread...

I have to say Kash...I'm thinking it's not so much you told Plant you and Wizard (David) are together..it was the fact you used his name, I have never seen you use his name either and it does seem a bit odd TBH.

This was pulled just to show time. It was posted at 8:52 Eastern.

Remaining players:

Razzlefish
Dangerdoll
Allaboutfish
Lab_Rat
Jpappy789
Chill
Lady G
Rich311k
TwoHobbies
DirtyDawg10
the wizard
Kashta
Piranha


Next nightfall will be Friday at 9pm eastern.

Game On!

Game on posted at 9:13 Eastern.

Well, that was terrible!!! So sorry to see you go Plant and Zaff!!

LG's back at 9:33. If she is Jessica Rabbit, I doubt her reason for not using the syrum was because she wasn't around for nightfall.

I've been thinking about this more..and I wonder if it will be said at nightfall when it happens, they very well may have used it..or it may of been used on Plant in case she wasn't lynched? JB...can you tell us if it will be stated when it is or attemped to be used?


Thanks...I will
Why would you say that?



I don't get why AAF is getting a pass from you...yes he is new, but still if your making lists you should include ALL players I would think.
Again, a list that leaves where you personally voted off...kinda convenient if you ask me, first we shouldn't look at anyone who voted Plant, then we shouldn't look at anyone that had ANY votes?


Nope, I went back and re read the thread some more to see if there was anything I missed, in the meantime someone made a post with the rules in it, while reading that post..I realized I had worded my vote wrong so I fixed it

Then she asks about the syrum... LG, did you ask in the scum den and then just repost out here to look innocent?

Yes, yes I do actually care how many evils there are.




These two posts go with the next....



A very good reason they may not of used it if one of there own was up for the lynch...it isn't a for sure thing only 50/50...if it doesn't work they die...why would they chance loosing two?
Relooking at it, I have to change my mind of the fact they would wait till they found a PR..since if it is used on a PR it kills them instead of turns them from what it looks like to me (which yes, killing a PR is a good thing for them) but why waste a chance for a turn to kill someone you could just hit, but if you look at the nightly events..they can either use the syrum OR their hit..I don't think they get both in one night.
Since you brought this whole syrum thing up 2H..I assume you read the role pretty good...how did you miss that? Were you hoping no one would catch those two important details and just blindly follow with your "No one voted for was evil" theory?


Most of the time, yes it is announced..and I assume it would be, if it worked...but there have been games where things like that were not mentioned if it didn't work We need to see what JB say's

Well, if one was up for the lynch and they used it and it didn't work, they would not get the turn AND from the way I am reading it the one who used it would die also. So they would loose the one lynched and the one who used the syrum.

Clarification:

Jessica's vial will not kill Jessica. It will either kill or turn a townie. Sorry if that part wasn't written clearly.

So the real reason why the syrum wasn't used?

Thaks for the clarification JB. So, there was no threat to Jessica and unless they thought that it would can not be the reason it wasn't used. There still are many reasons for it not to be used on night one IMO...they could of just wanted to cause confusion as to why it wasn't used (look how much it has), maybe they were waiting to find PR, waiting to see how each player is playing this round, Jessica wasn't around, they just forgot about it..really, unless you are them there is no way to know why it wasn't used.


Yep, it would seem you were correct about how it works.
As for not using it on a PR, I would think if they knew a PR they would just hit them, and use the syrum on another townie in hopes of either getting lucky with another PR and taking 2 out in one night or gaining a new team mate/just killing off another innocent. Yes, I realize the syrum will kill a PR and they can use their hit on another innocent taking innocents out...but if they do it that way they loose the chance of gaining a team mate.

By talking about it, we may be able to draw something out of someone...although, when it takes over everything and no one is looking at anything else, yes it can hurt us I agree.

I think so!

But then she suggests that they could be waiting to use it on a PR but in the same post says they should just hit the PR and turn a townie... Which is it LG?

I can totally see them not using it, just to cause confusion Chill. There are others reasons too they may not of used it. The fact it wasn't used proves nothing to me on if any evil were up for lynching.


To me it was more a joke...how is it scummy to hope they don't use a hit?


I pulled his post i was referring to, he didn't say he thought Jessica was in danger..he just said if they were going to possibly loose a player. I agree IF Jessica was up for the lynch they most likely would of used it. That is NOT what he said though, and I'm sorry but to me it seems as though he is trying to draw attention away from the lead voted.

I think you are trying to cause confusion by throwing out all these different reasons as to why it wasn't used.

I agree it completely side tracked everyone. Yes, it was something worth discussing..but to let it take over all other thoughts, got us no where. We have no idea why it wasn't used, and we wont unless they say why they didn't use it...it's kinda pointless to go back and forth with "theories" as to why they have or haven't done something. Kinda like the discussions of if roles were random or not and such.

I agree with all this!

It sidetracked everyone partly because you puut all those reasons in peoples heads!

Really? I know you said you want to wait to hear from 2H...but after all that you vote Dawg?


For one..I do not see how you can say the only reason the serum wasn't used was because none were up for the lynch.
You just seem to know a little to much about Jessica's role and how she was thinking even WHEN the decision was made.
You have been posting so many things 2H that to me seem to be out there just to side track the towns thoughts

I vote to test 2H

Then she votes 2H..... Again.

JB, hope everything is ok. Zaffy, me thinks you should zombie hitman mod kill whoever put the hit on you. :thm:


Why do you want to dismiss all the discussion about the serum? You don't see any value from the discussion about it?


Idk why he didn't mention me, but I would hardly call it giving advice to the scum team. My real interest was in trying to figure out Razz's intentions.

Both 2H and Dawg have been acting off, but I can't say that either are scummy enough for my vote. To me, I think 2H seems more frustrated trying to get his point across than anything, but I'm not quite sure how to take what he's been saying. Dawg has said some things that raised my eyebrows at first, but after thinking about them more I'm not convinced he's scummy.

The two players on the top of my suspect list are LG and Razz. LG is there because she is the one who thought Jessica Rabbit's serum could backfire on her. This would make total sense as to why the serum was not used night 1, when it would make the most sense to use it. LG was pretty confident sounding in that post, about Jessica possibly getting killed. It would not surprise me if she was confident enough in that thought to not get clarification from JB. Razz's insistence on the serum being better used on a PR makes no sense. I see he is now retracting his argument, but he fought pretty hard for it. As I said earlier, I'm thinking this may be so he can say that he wouldn't have used the serum on a townie in the event the serum is used and hits a townie, trying to clear himself as scum.

Right now, LG is more scummy imo than Razz. I vote to genetically test LG, aka Jessica Rabbit.

This along with my own thoughts is what made me go back and look at these and now I find myself agreeing with Lab.... LG are you Jessica Rabbit?

LOL, you really think if I was Jessica rabbit I would not of discussed any questions about my role with my team and the mod, you silly girl you. I don't see how night one would of made the most sense...but of course you are free to see things how ever you want.

If you were confident that the way you read the rules was the correct way, then yes, I don't think you would have asked JB about it. In fact, when you pointed that out and I re-read them, I thought you were correct. I assumed I'd misread them.

I agree with Lab on this one.


So after that verry long post, my suspisions of Pir are brought back into the light and LG seems scummier than ever. My thoughts are that Pir and LG are both scum and LG was trying to protect Pir night one by drawing attention to 2H. I also think she is Jessica Rabbit. I think she did not use her syrum night one because she thought if it didn't work it would kill her. She then added all the reasons why it wasn't used (I think the true one was in there somewhere) and then said it sidetracked the town.

So for that, I vote to genetically test LG.


Hope this post isn't too long!

 

[Lab_Rat]

Yeah...how would I be on a team and NOT discuss our roles and what we want to do..how we want to do it...kinda the point of a TEAM dontcha think? Besides the fact I would of given JB a hard time for giving me a power that could kill me

Yes, but if you discussed with your team that you were worried it would kill you, they may have been thinking your interpretation was the correct one and not questioned it. In fact, your interpretation is a very interesting twist on that role, I could see where JB would like incorporating something like that into a game of his.

 

[dirtydawg10]

Sneaking online from work long enough to post a vote. This being Friday, I hope the others will leave at quitting time. If any way possible, I'll be back before nightfall.

Dawg contributed to that overall impression Plant was "constantly harping" about low posters, though mentioned that the content part made sense. Good way to help get others to vote her without doing so himself. Then after Plant was dead and revealed innocent, Dawg told Pappy that Plant was cleared in his mind before the lynch. Okay, so where did Dawg actually say that in such terms anywhere before she died?

Interesting to note that while Chill didn't bother to explain his OMGUS vote on me and created a 3 way tie with his vote, Dawg suggested that was good strategy. (Debatable point there... lmao.)

Then Dawg supported the theory that Jessica must have been afraid to use the syrum because she misunderstood the rules and was afraid it might kill her if it failed. Seriously, Dawg, what made you think the gingers wouldn't discuss their powers fully in their scumden? And what prevented them from simply PMing the game mod over any confusion they have?

I vote to genetically test Dawg. When Dawg consistently supports unsubstantiated theories, it's a real good sign he's evil.

Please pull the posts where I cleared Plant and the posts where I supported the theory that Jessica was afraid to use the serum.

 

[jpappy789]

Got to run but wanted to ask this real quick, JP, correct me if I am wrong but it looks like you are defending 2H.

Care to explain why? You don't find his posting to be scummy?

Just caught this as my post went through so I'll answer before I head out the door.

I still do not agree with his use of the serum to come up with his list but I am not sure if that is something I consider lynchable at this point. Hence why I had held my vote until now.

His "slip" may be a slip...but that is a rather hasty way to vote someone out without focusing on their actual post content as well. Part of me thinks Dawg saw this opportunity and ran with it...I don't recall him having any major disagreements with 2H's initial posts on the serum but for some reason Kash's vote on him (Dawg) is bothering me.

Recently LG has been pushing 2H a lot while I have been trying to get a grasp of what 2H is trying to say. She now is turning against me because of that...which has caught my attention.

I think, at this point, the most he is guilty of is poor word choice.

If I may ask, Wiz, why do you see Dawg as more scummy than 2H then?

 

[dirtydawg10]

Exactly. That was my point. Dawg did not "clear" Plant before night. He waited until after Plant died to reference your vote, where he said:

" .....for "low post" theory which turns out was not exactly Plant's theory. This was determined prior to nightfall. At least by me anyway..."

After seeing Dawg's post, I tried to find where Dawg had made that "determination" PRIOR to nightfall or where he told us anything that showed he had changed his position about Plant BEFORE night happened. There's no such post from Dawg that I could find, either. In Plant's regard, it seems Dawg has played both sides against the middle.

I didn't clear Plant before or after night. Here's the post BEFORE nightfall where I realized her theory was not what I had first thought it was. That's what I was referring to.

Already answered in post 244


This post above and the constant harping on post count is what led me to believe your theory was to go after people with low post count. After rereading I see you were also concerned about content which makes more sense. The reason I thought you were going after the people you questioned in your post was because they were all low posters except one.

The one post that stands out the most to me is this one...


Withholding info is scummy. Last game someone tried a similar tactic and was voted out and they turned up scum. I vote to genetically test Pir

 

[Lady G]

Yes, but if you discussed with your team that you were worried it would kill you, they may have been thinking your interpretation was the correct one and not questioned it. In fact, your interpretation is a very interesting twist on that role, I could see where JB would like incorporating something like that into a game of his.

Think what you want Lab...if I had the role...I would of said something to JB plain and simple, at the very least I would of givin him grief for giving me a power that could kill me, and I'm pretty sure if discussed with team mates it would of came up before nightfall that in fact it wouldn't.