Mafia 94: When Gingers Attack; the play

So at this point, after all the agreeing, disagreeing, agreeing w/disagreeing, disagreeing w/agreeing, disagreeing w/disagreeing ect...my head is pretty much going in circles!
I found the exchange between Lab and Doll a bit odd, I took both of them as joking around at first then I realized no...that was not the case. Lab say's she didn't realize Doll was joking and that may be true everyone takes things different at different times, but to me at least it was pretty obvious. Not vote worthy IMO...but worth watching I believe.

Plant, the who posting over and over that we need to post, adding a post count and everything else on day one...when posting was happening...not sure what I make of it.

Pap, seems to be going from person to person "jumping" on everything.

2H, not sure I like the way he seems to be following others thoughts.

Kash..her vote to Chill when others really hadn't posted much of anything helpful was kinda out of nowhere.

Pir, has said a lot that looks bad..but with him that happens pretty much every game and others reactions to his posts bring more interest to me then his actual posts. Of course his posts warrant questioning, but when someone takes it and runs that is what gets my attention.

Not really sure where my vote is going to go at this point.
 
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Plant is there any reason that you think the powers of be might have chosen not so randomly?
Can't be for sure as I skimmed last game but i thought JB admitted to handpicking roles. A lot of mods have admitted to this. I wouldn't recommend clouding the thread with early conjecture but once when I was on a townie pr team with Ice, HN, and Blueiz, we kicked Mafia butt by guessing who RB would have picked.

I totally disagree with you Plant. My posts are not ALMOST all fluff. To this point I believe they are all fluff actually. So is this a true theory of yours or is it a convenient way for you to vote for a good player for really no reason? Just wondering. And if you do actually think I'm scum all I have to do is post more to get off your list? Doesn't make sense to me.
I agree that you are a good player. Exactly why I expected more from you as I stated in my response to your greeting. But your reaction and for you to even brag about your posts being fluff, makes my scum meter jump pretty high. IMO a townie would want to post more than just fluff as fluff doesn't exactly help innocents distinguish you from Jack. What theory are you speaking of, my red headed friend? Why are you putting words in my mouth? I don't recall stating that my post was a post of my scum list. As I stated I only had time to make one post so I included my questions to others on the same post, questions which shouldn't offend an innocent townie.

Oh...and Plant...Pir has quite a few posts so I'm not quite sure why you are picking on them? You should probably pick on LG next.
So you saw my post as that I was "picking on" Pir? Just asking questions which if you are an innocent you would agree is totally acceptable.

I realize that but it's not my theory it's Plant's theory.
Again what theory are you talking about? Or is this just another post for you to drop my name out there again?

Maybe the last sentence above gives a better idea of why I got your vote.
As mentioned yep. I recall you being more helpful and active as a townie as opposed to when you were scum.


First off, I don't buy the theory usually. But it's proven useful in the past to get people out of hiding. Second, you didn't prove anything.
Again, I never therorized that Dawg was evil bc he had a low post count. I voted him because as I have mentioned I found his few posts very unhelpful.
Yep, seemed to have worked. Said something similar in one of my earlier posts:

I disagree with your statement that I was pointing fingers at low posters and gliders. I never said all low posters were evil, rather that little posting by townspeople gives the evils a chance to hide among us. It allows them to glide thru the game without making any waves. Without a good candidate to vote for, I usually vote for those who have added little to the game besides noncommittal and "fluff" posts. Sometimes ppl start perking up when they see their names bolded.

Maybe, for me at least, it was just wishful thinking that a player like Pir would have progressed enough in his gameplay to actually realize why making statements like that without even checking the player list would be considered scummy. I do what you are saying though and perhaps it is just more frustrating than anything right now.

I still do not understand his discussion = commotion point even when he has tried to explain it...



I find a few things wrong with this approach, Plant...

1) Prefacing this with post count

Really? I think this is the most overused and pointless part of any vote, ever. I think we can all agree that some people have posted more than others.

2) Mentioning that some have posted less than the mod (JB)

What does this have to do with anything? The mod is not a player, their posts are irrelevant outside of rule-talk and nightly events. Consider that the mod generally makes up a good amount of posts at the beginning of games answering questions, like the one I posed to him. Jb also forgot the roles in the initial post. He also joked around in a post. Oh, and he decided that we may switch to shorter days. Had none of that happened this point would be moot.

3) Your subsequent questioning of said players with 6 posts or less

Would you consider AAF to be helpful or be kicking in doors? They have a relatively large amount of posts but nothing has been short of adding to confusion...

4) Telling Dawg that your vote may change if you see him help

Are you really going to change your vote if that happens? Or are you going to turn around and say that he only posted because you called him out? That statement seems like a trap, to me.



I think quite the opposite Wiz. Lab is usually one of the first to make that switch to actual gameplay. She doesn't stick to the fluff very long...



Not really, I don't see anywhere in Plant's posts that she wanted the discussion to become overwhelming.
The post count was a visual aid. It helped to prove my point which you missed, as at that point Dawg only had 5 posts, none of them as he admitted were really game related. Night was to be in about 12 hours. It only helps the scum when there's no discussion until hours before Night, then a flurry of hapharzardly placed votes. If he had RL issues, I could overlook it, but he was here and posting "fluff" posts. I expected more from him. Don't you? And what about his scummy reaction to one vote thrown on him and twisting my post into making it look like that was my proclaimed scum list?

I have work in an hour and therefore will be gone for nightfall...and need to vote now, unfortunately.

I vote to genetically test Plant

I do not like the "low post" (for lack of a better term) angle she is trying to play and she has been building up to the vote by mentioning it over, and over that we need to post more.

Normally I would have waited for a reply first but I dont want to UD either...
LOL, you are voting me bc I say what I mean and mean what I say? I stand by my opinion that low posting only helps the evils to hide.

Not sure how much more time I'll have to play tonight so I'll vote.

I'm sure this comes as no surprise to anyone.

I vote to genetically test Plant
Except that in your last post which you mentioned me you stated:

Well, I was really hoping this morning that other players would have remembered plantling's play style. I don't remember ever playing a game before with her, so don't really know what to think. While some seem to think she may have intentionally thrown a teammate under the bus I believe she truely thought I was the only one who hadn't posted.[/QUOTE]
So what changed your mind about me in between that post and your vote? Or did you change your mind in the Red's Lair bc you saw JP vote me and you only thought you did also on the game thread? You guys wanna get rid of me badly?
 
Well, I was really hoping this morning that other players would have remembered plantling's play style. I don't remember ever playing a game before with her, so don't really know what to think. While some seem to think she may have intentionally thrown a teammate under the bus I believe she truely thought I was the only one who hadn't posted.
This post confuses me a bit 2H...it looks as though you are saying you ARE team mates with her?

There...now that should get me off of Plant's list...;)
Ok, that's great you added more posts...but do you plan on adding any posts with actual content other then your thoughts of being on her list?


Not sure how much more time I'll have to play tonight so I'll vote.

I'm sure this comes as no surprise to anyone.

I vote to genetically test Plant

Why should it not be a surprise? I really don't see where you have stated any kind of "case" toward her?
 
im really not likeing the way people are voting and then saying how they might not have time to come back and read responses and such. i mean if it were only 1 person it wouldnt be suspicous but its like 3 people.
 
Well, I was really hoping this morning that other players would have remembered plantling's play style. I don't remember ever playing a game before with her, so don't really know what to think. While some seem to think she may have intentionally thrown a teammate under the bus I believe she truely thought I was the only one who hadn't posted.
Did you ask about her playstyle? If so I must of missed that post.
 
I vote to lynch 2H

2H, you came on saying how there could be more then 3 evil (after someone else mentioned it), you questioned Plant even telling her to "re skim" the rules after she said something about 3 PRs, after JB even said the roles are in the rules you still said it is "likely" 3, then followed Kash's thought on Chill not adding your own thoughts, then after Pap votes Plant, you do?
 
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Can't be for sure as I skimmed last game but i thought JB admitted to handpicking roles. A lot of mods have admitted to this. I wouldn't recommend clouding the thread with early conjecture but once when I was on a townie pr team with Ice, HN, and Blueiz, we kicked Mafia butt by guessing who RB would have picked.
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the phrasing concerns me Plant "not so randomly" like you want the idea floated out there but you don't want it to look like it came from you. The same with 'I wouldn't recommend" but one time "we kicked mafia butt" by doing it. Are you subtley trying to start something that would cloud the thread?
 
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