Mafia 94: When Gingers Attack; the play

[jpappy789]

I am honestly confused right now... I spent the time from my last post till now looking into AAF and Pir but what I found confused me even more... I could see Pir as scum. The way he wanted to shorten D3 from the start, the whole discussion = commotion bit and then not looking at the player list but what throws me off is Wiz's vote... Why would he leave it there and risk lynching a ginger over switching to Plant. I'm not sure many people would object to him voting plant as she was being looked at heavily.

As for AAF I just don't know what to think... I can't believe that there are still 2 gingers left and the only player left who I haven't been paying super close attention to is AAF... Maybe that's the problem. Maybe he is a ginger and he is just sliding through because nobody wants to vote for him. He also hasn't posted enough useful information to make me lean him either way...

As for LG, I was so sure she was scum following Plant's lynch all the way up until Chill came on. LG I'll be honest, it was Chill who saved you that night. I don't however think he knew her role. He obviously knew Wiz's but when he came on he said that he didn't think it was likely (or something to that effect) that LG was scum... So I don't think he investigated her I think he just investigated Wiz and wanted to get a confirmed ginger out before taking a chance on G.

As for Pappy, I just can't believe that he would post the kill vote on Wiz and then claim it when I failed at doing math. (speaking of I know what happened. I didn't take into accout your switch, I counted it like you were just then voting :lipssealedsmilie He could have just waited until someone else moved over (I would've been the next one). If Pappy is scum, I'll eat my hat! I just can't see him hiding in such plain sight without a single slip...

Gosh, I have no clue what to do now... The stakes are higher than ever and I have no idea where to even begin...

I think it was a case of wiz getting stuck with an early vote. We know he was Jessica and we know the vial wasn't used N1 despite it being the most opportune time for scum to use it. The fact that wiz admittedly was not around at nightfall may play in to both situations. If Wiz saw an early chance to distance but couldn't pull off because he wasn't around that could easily explain why his vote on Pir carried through and almost got him lynched.

I tend to agree. I think 2H's constant posting about LG being innocent and then Chill saying that he didn't think she was scum sidetracked us. While I cannot say for certain that Chill did or did not investigate her (I think he would have been more obvious since his death was eminent) I could see her being scum at this point for the reasons mentioned before everyone, including myself, pretty much looked the other way.

Alright this caught my eye. Notice that in the first post he didn't list anyone as scum except Rich. Turns out Rich was the hit... Not very smart play IMO because rich would likely have been the next suspect... Then he votes DD after saying that there was no analysis. Yes I questioned him on it but if there was noting before, my questioning shouldn't have made it so clear then. This makes me wonder if maybe AAF is Chuck. He has slid through all game with minimal questioning and I never even had the thought of him being a PR but it makes sense, doesn't it? If roles were random then he could have gotten a role very easily. And if they weren't random I could see JB picking him simply because he is a noob and nobody would suspect it. He was so convinced that "Rich was scum" but when his case didn't stick, he resorted to the next best option and that was to hit him. Going back to the underlined section in this post, a noob wouldn't know any better, however I think anybody else in the game would have picked someone who was not being looked at. Then they could just jump on Rich and win the game.

Does that make any sense? I feel like it didn't flow very well....

I've been wondering why the last two hits have been 2H and Rich. To be honest either of them could have been up for the lynch the day after they were hit and an inexperienced Chuck may explain why they were chosen instead of going for other players. It just doesn't seem like the best strategy to remove players that could draw votes. The only problem I have with that is I do not see Wiz or Kash allowing a new player to dictate the hits themselves. However if they have been as busy as they have mentioned in the thread and not actually been around for nightfalls (assuming Wiz is on a similar schedule as Kash for the latest ones when he couldn't have posted since he was dead) then maybe Chuck had to make a couple of calls on their own? I find it odd that 2H was a suspect of AAF then was hit, and then the same for Rich. Would AAF, as Chuck, think that would be the best way to play the role? Possibly.

 

[RazzleFish]

I think it was a case of wiz getting stuck with an early vote. We know he was Jessica and we know the vial wasn't used N1 despite it being the most opportune time for scum to use it. The fact that wiz admittedly was not around at nightfall may play in to both situations. If Wiz saw an early chance to distance but couldn't pull off because he wasn't around that could easily explain why his vote on Pir carried through and almost got him lynched.

I tend to agree. I think 2H's constant posting about LG being innocent and then Chill saying that he didn't think she was scum sidetracked us. While I cannot say for certain that Chill did or did not investigate her (I think he would have been more obvious since his death was eminent) I could see her being scum at this point for the reasons mentioned before everyone, including myself, pretty much looked the other way.



I've been wondering why the last two hits have been 2H and Rich. To be honest either of them could have been up for the lynch the day after they were hit and an inexperienced Chuck may explain why they were chosen instead of going for other players. It just doesn't seem like the best strategy to remove players that could draw votes. The only problem I have with that is I do not see Wiz or Kash allowing a new player to dictate the hits themselves. However if they have been as busy as they have mentioned in the thread and not actually been around for nightfalls (assuming Wiz is on a similar schedule as Kash for the latest ones when he couldn't have posted since he was dead) then maybe Chuck had to make a couple of calls on their own? I find it odd that 2H was a suspect of AAF then was hit, and then the same for Rich. Would AAF, as Chuck, think that would be the best way to play the role? Possibly.

True, I must have missed the part of him not being around but then could we assume that there were no other gingers on pir? I think the mafia team would to all they could (even if they couldn't move Wiz's vote, to lynch an innocent over their own. But then that brings us back to people not being around for nightfall which another ginger could have done the same...

I think that between 2H and Chill the town (myself included) just kind of assumed that G couldn't be scum any more since Wiz was. If Chill had investigated her, I am sure he would have said outright that G is scum, but he didn't. I think that we need to look past 2H protecting her because in reality he had no idea that she is innocent. He just wanted us to vote someone else. While he may have been right, there have been times where he was wrong.

I think it could very well be that Chuck had to make a few calls. But even if he wasn't alone, both Chill and Kash said that keeping a noob in line can be like herding cats. Honestly, I expected the mafia to hit either myself or jpappy, and then take rich out this night and win. But someone as new as AAF might not take time to look at what they would do the next day... The more I think about it, the more it makes sense but I would like some other opinions as well.

 

[Lady G]

You have GOT to be kidding me!! I can't believe Doll was innocent, and they hit Rich?

Sorry I wasn't around, I had some stuff come up and was unable to be here, I won't be around much today either

 

[RazzleFish]

You have GOT to be kidding me!! I can't believe Doll was innocent, and they hit Rich?

Sorry I wasn't around, I had some stuff come up and was unable to be here, I won't be around much today either

So did AAF have to choose the hit by himself?

 

[Lady G]

I just don't see it with Razz. Rich apparently did, but I don't. So that leaves me with three possible places to vote today unless I am strongly convinced otherwise.

So if I were to keep going with what I suspected then that would be AAF, Pir, LG then Razz for my list considering who is left. Problem is I was completely wrong about DD and my thought was that it had a lot to do with Kash's vote. That is mainly why I moved AAF up the list as I thought Kash made her post so her teammates would jump on the train. I was wrong about DD on that part so maybe I misread AAF too. He's seems to be at least trying now so that helps. I'm glad when I questioned him he didn't just roll over like he had earlier.

To do a complete 180 it is possible that the scum thought there was a chance to save themselves by jumping on Pir when Kash was up for the lynch. I honestly don't know why they would have chosen him though over all the other suspects, namely Rich, who I don't think was voted for once until last night (but I would have to check). But I would think with the thoughts out there that he would have been an easier target. I think DD was getting some looks at that time as well if I am remembering correctly. Was this for distancing purposes? I'm not sure where that leaves me with LG either. Did Kash honestly just vote there because there was already votes that counted? Dunno but it seems strange to me.

Pir's vote on Rich today looks bad. Pretty bad to be honest considering it was a total hit-and-run vote. I've pretty much left him off my actual suspect list because of the Wiz vote. He pretty much got in hot water from the start of the game and the more I think about it the more I wouldn't doubt Wiz would vote a teammate early. Pir's said a lot of odd things that could equate as scummy.

I've already said a bit on LG but I keep going back to the late vote switch from 2H to Dawg. I can't fault her for pushing for DD recently as I did the same but her vote was on Pir...

As far as "getting it" with Razz, I really haven't seen much to make me question him either..but at this point, nothing would surprise me!

See, the whole Pir/Kash thing is driving me nuts....when they could of possibly saved her, or at least done more to try and take suspicion elsewhere? It just really does not make sense, Kash is a great player and I'm sure she could of done something to try and defend herself, at the time she only had 3 votes and everyone was looking at other people also...so for her to just "give her self up" I don't get it.

I agree with Pir's vote on Rich, pretty much aside from day one where he was on the chopping block he has been a hit and run poster/voter. I can see Wiz voting a team mate early for distancing later in the game..plus if I remember right he wasn't around at night and he would of known Plant was innocent so switching to her (even though others were there) would draw attention to himself, more then if he left his vote on Plant. The serum wasn't used so they (if Pir HAD been the one to go) could of replaced him, leaving Wizard to look good because "he wouldn't of voted a team mate so early).

As for my vote switch from 2H to Dawg, yes I can understand why it would concern you...but I'm sorry, I really thought I was on to something then when you posted about what you thought he was trying to actually say (at the moment I was thinking team mate) but the more I thought about it and with Rich "defending" him, then (I think it was Rich) made a post about how he just seemed frustrated..it made me think of how many times I have got myself in trouble as a innocent and had everyone coming at me from all ways and you just start posting things wrong, so I thought maybe that is what was going on and stepped back re looking at everything and I could see where I could be wrong..Dawg had done things that looked scummy too and the way he wouldn't let the whole "hit" thing go made me think he was more likely evil then 2H so yes, I switched. I could NOT leave my vote on 2H feeling the way I did.

 

[Lady G]

I am honestly confused right now... I spent the time from my last post till now looking into AAF and Pir but what I found confused me even more... I could see Pir as scum. The way he wanted to shorten D3 from the start, the whole discussion = commotion bit and then not looking at the player list but what throws me off is Wiz's vote... Why would he leave it there and risk lynching a ginger over switching to Plant. I'm not sure many people would object to him voting plant as she was being looked at heavily.

As for AAF I just don't know what to think... I can't believe that there are still 2 gingers left and the only player left who I haven't been paying super close attention to is AAF... Maybe that's the problem. Maybe he is a ginger and he is just sliding through because nobody wants to vote for him. He also hasn't posted enough useful information to make me lean him either way...

As for LG, I was so sure she was scum following Plant's lynch all the way up until Chill came on. LG I'll be honest, it was Chill who saved you that night. I don't however think he knew her role. He obviously knew Wiz's but when he came on he said that he didn't think it was likely (or something to that effect) that LG was scum... So I don't think he investigated her I think he just investigated Wiz and wanted to get a confirmed ginger out before taking a chance on G.

As for Pappy, I just can't believe that he would post the kill vote on Wiz and then claim it when I failed at doing math. (speaking of I know what happened. I didn't take into accout your switch, I counted it like you were just then voting :lipssealedsmilie He could have just waited until someone else moved over (I would've been the next one). If Pappy is scum, I'll eat my hat! I just can't see him hiding in such plain sight without a single slip...

Gosh, I have no clue what to do now... The stakes are higher than ever and I have no idea where to even begin...

I am leaning more Wizard did vote a team mate (have you ever been evil with Wizard before)? Pir almost always gets lynched early, they had a "turn" they could use anytime so if he did go he could be replaced and Wizard would look good IMO. Maybe he put it there planing to move, or maybe he planned on using his serum if it looked like Pir was going..but wasn't able to get back in time to do it...he wasn't here at nightfall. It makes complete sense to me that he would do it.

The thing with Chill, if he did invest me it would of had to of been night one, the serum hadn't been used yet...so there is no way he could of said I was innocent, he knew he was going to be hit he said so himself, so IF he had investigated me I can see 2 reasons he wouldn't of "cleared me" for the town...1 he would of put a target on my back, 2 he couldn't be sure what I would be after.

As for Pap's vote on Wizard...I can't clear anyone for their vote on him...Chill came out, anyone who DIDN'T VOTE HIM WOULD BE LOOKED AT. Although, I really do not see Pap as evil, he's done way to much to help the town to be evil IMO.

 

[jpappy789]

Got called into work early so I have to vote now, which sucks because this is basically what it comes down to...

I vote to genetically test Pir

I have to go with my gut.

 

[Lady G]

Alright this caught my eye. Notice that in the first post he didn't list anyone as scum except Rich. Turns out Rich was the hit... Not very smart play IMO because rich would likely have been the next suspect... Then he votes DD after saying that there was no analysis. Yes I questioned him on it but if there was noting before, my questioning shouldn't have made it so clear then. This makes me wonder if maybe AAF is Chuck. He has slid through all game with minimal questioning and I never even had the thought of him being a PR but it makes sense, doesn't it? If roles were random then he could have gotten a role very easily. And if they weren't random I could see JB picking him simply because he is a noob and nobody would suspect it. He was so convinced that "Rich was scum" but when his case didn't stick, he resorted to the next best option and that was to hit him. Going back to the underlined section in this post, a noob wouldn't know any better, however I think anybody else in the game would have picked someone who was not being looked at. Then they could just jump on Rich and win the game.

Does that make any sense? I feel like it didn't flow very well....

You make a valid point, and it is possible, quite honestly anything is possible. The hit on Rich confuses me to say the least. He is someone that pretty much was on everyones list, and could of been a "easy" target to go after I am sure. The thing is...he was picked for a reason and I'm sure it was to try and point toward someone, BUT we don't know if the dead are able to stay in communication, there have been games they were and games they weren't...if they are not able to still communicate I could see where a newer player could/would see it as a good idea, but he has to have a team mate still in communication with him at this point since there are 2 left. Now I know this is something that can also point toward myself but IF it is AAF I would think the other evil wasn't here to help him decide, only 2 ppl weren't here from what I see and that was myself and Pir. I know what I am but I am not sure what Pir is. I don't think Pir was here the night of 2H's hit either, Wizard was gone at that point, and Kash was lynched...and from the look of things she wasn't going to be around either?

 

[Lady G]

True, I must have missed the part of him not being around but then could we assume that there were no other gingers on pir? I think the mafia team would to all they could (even if they couldn't move Wiz's vote, to lynch an innocent over their own. But then that brings us back to people not being around for nightfall which another ginger could have done the same...

I think that between 2H and Chill the town (myself included) just kind of assumed that G couldn't be scum any more since Wiz was. If Chill had investigated her, I am sure he would have said outright that G is scum, but he didn't. I think that we need to look past 2H protecting her because in reality he had no idea that she is innocent. He just wanted us to vote someone else. While he may have been right, there have been times where he was wrong.

I think it could very well be that Chuck had to make a few calls. But even if he wasn't alone, both Chill and Kash said that keeping a noob in line can be like herding cats. Honestly, I expected the mafia to hit either myself or jpappy, and then take rich out this night and win. But someone as new as AAF might not take time to look at what they would do the next day... The more I think about it, the more it makes sense but I would like some other opinions as well.

Psst...Rich is alrready gone

If Chill had investigated me..he most defiantly would not of said I was scum.

 

[Lady G]

Went back to check..Pir was not around for nightfall the night 2H was hit either...just put the vote count so you can click and go back easily...

Kash -6- 2H(928) Jpap(942) Pir(953) AAF(963) Razz(979) DD(990)
Pir -3- LG(955) Kash(962) Rich(967)
LG -0- DD(966)

This is the only post made by him since...

Ok, I see my theory was wrong. I'm still unsure if you are scum or not. And don't think I'm completely against you, I voted for Wiz.

YES!!! Town is turning around.

Sorry to see you go 2H, I'm glad I listened to you.

Vice versa. He put his vote on me because it was 'convenient' and then voted Kash after looking at posts.

Right now, Rich appears the scummiest to me.