Mafia #98: The Grinch Returns -- The Play

[Lab_Rat]

Current vote count:
Wiz (0) - AAF (#725), FF (#740)
FF (1) - Dawg (#785)
Dawg (1) - FF (#789)
Pappy (1) - LG #790

No votes: everyone else.


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[Ballyhoo]

What are others thoughts on Pap not acknowledging Ballys role claim, does no one else not find it odd? If Bally had not come out, then yeah I obviously see nothing being said, but she has come out with the claim and I assume one would get a PM saying they were turned if they were, wouldn't they?

I agree with you LG, and am willing to believe I could have botched the hit. The only reason for him to not confirm the hit is if it turned him evil, the nip does not effect any PRs so he'd be a normal innocent, and he could confirm himself an innocent and become an asset to the town.

I vote to lynch pap

 

[Lady G]

Well, I was hoping to get some others thoughts before I leave...I have to go to my Moms and most likely will not be back before nightfall. I know I and others have said for no one else to come out, but I know something that needs to be shared. If I knew I'd be back before nightfall I'd say nothing...but I can't leave without knowing what others thoughts are and not sure I'll be back to find out, I feel I HAVE to say it.

I am Sugar Snow Pants, I had a magic sugar that could be used on any lynch/hit victim to communicate one time with them at any time. I used it on Ice, because he seems to be able to read other players pretty good and I value his thoughts. So I asked him what his thoughts were on Pap. The message I got back was that he and Santa had invested Pap and Pap is the Grinch.

So this is why I was questioning Bally so much on her nip to Pap, if it was used on him...it did nothing and there was no "turn", he very well may be the last evil and there is no way I could leave not knowing if I can come back before nightfall, and not let you guys know this.

 

[the wizard]

I'm here, that game is awesome

Yes, FF did vote me. I might not be around tommorow, as I have a birthday party at 12ish and then dinner at 5. (Not counting my Euro homeowork, which will take up any free time I do get) I'll try to get on a couple times, but in case I don't I vote to lynch FF as a completely OMGUS vote.

Just checking in, think you guys could spread the votes a bit?

I'm here, people are finally out of my house! Rereading

Dun, you seem to be implying that he isn't actually busy. Couldn't the same be said for anyone else here? This post coupled with the edited (a misunderstanding, but still) post and what seems to be the most fluff (image posts), is why you'll now recieve my vote. (I also would prefer to not be lynched, and that way the tie can be broken) I retract my previous vote to lynch FF and vote to lynch Dun

Dun you say that you voted me, but then made a case for FF, does that mean you think both of us are scummy?

I'm assuming that FF has worked before. I do think that such a long break is out of character, but it could be his way of improving his gameplay. I don't think his current gameplay shows wether he has a role or not YET, I'm interested in what he has to say to all of this.

cut out the extra fluff, it's hard to figure out what you're actually saying....

Kash this was post #115

Ice I meant role in the traditional mafia sense, like he's communicating.

Why did you vote dd?

Perhaps it hit a little to close to home with Rich being unlynchable?

I agree, doesn't Frostly also throw a snowball, not an icicle?

I still have tons of Euro homework left to work on, so I'm off for the night. I'll be on sometime tommorow...

I asked her because it seemed like she posted in a rush right before nightfall, and I thought at the time that maybe she voted a team-mate because they were the first to come to mind (And it would also theoretically distance her from DD). I now realize that the scum hit their own player, so the connection no longer makes sense.

Are you talking about me or Dun trying to put you in the spotlight?

Bear in mind that my vote did switch to Dun, I didn't leave my vote on FF. That vote was more to avoid a "JV" mistake like UDing, than anything.

When I say "that vote...." I'm refering to my original vote on FF

Ice, I can understand your inclusion of me and Dun on the list, but why Bally? She called out Rich for knowing right away, but didn't seem confused at all about the post.

Whats the rest of you suspicion, or have you not come up with it yet?



Not neccessarily, it could show that either you or the ones making you "defend yourself" are scum. I think that you realized been backtracking way too much already, and that this post was your attempt to stop it. So far your play has been very sloppy, and that combined with 2h's flip last night and your vote on him, I vote to lynch dun

You posted this, and seemed to dissappear until...



Pap calls you out on it, this could've been a timing thing (AAF was rereading or in the middle of posting, so it's a coincidence) but I doubt it. It seems like both you and FF have been trying to skate by with posting as little as possible..



So you're playing the noob card for dun now?

That's your response?

I won't be back until later, it all depends how long my project takes. I'll try to be back before nightfall, but I'm fine with where my vote lies.

Checking in, fine with my vote for now. Dun what would you say is the "smoking gun" or number one reason why you believe Pap, FF and LG are scum?

Also, if anyone has a corny title for a storybook about Three Platypuses and their adventures in time travel and the scientific revolution it would be greatly appreciated.

I would repeat myself rather than whine and moan about being questioned. Can we at least get that list of the players?

When I say list I mean a list of their scuminess, not a list with just their names on it.

We have a winner! Thanks dawg!

Are you refering to the post below? If so, then that's only 4 names, and 2 just say scum. (And the other two are also VERY weak)

Well that was bad. Losing Ice was bad, and losing another townie was worse. I'm thinking that out of 9 people left (excluding myself, I'm innocent) there are 2-4 scum left, hopefully Jack Frost was nice and got a scum bag.

I'm assuming that there aren't 5 scum, because then it would be 50% scum and they'd win... right?

satisfied with nightfall? You seem to have dissappeared now. Granted you are on your phone, but managed to be on during all of nightfall.... Gone back to check in with the scum den?

I'm assuming that this was one of the townie's special roles, any hints on what it does? Sounds like a team switch to me (but that would be kinda op if a townie has the same power as Jack Frost)

Looking through voting patterns now, here they are in case anyone else is interested.

so far it appears that these people have voted side by side:

Rich + FF: 1st Dun, and then Bally.
Me + Dawg: Dun both nights.
Pap + Ice: 2h, then Dun

Both nights FF had the first vote, and then never moved it.

Dun was the only one to retract twice, and he retracted from me and then FF.

Nobody beside Dun retracted from a player when others were voting for them. (I.E only lone votes have been retracted)

I don't see anything signifigant in this, and after 1 night it probobly means nothing.

I'm done for the night, I still have to finish that project and still try to get some sleep tonight. G'night all.

AAF what's your name?

I believe that Lg and Pap are scum. I will not be on until after nightfall, so until then... I vote to lynch LG

Oh and in case I die tonight, keep in mind that AAF and any other RCers can very easily be scum given the turn last night.

These are all of UN's posts. I see a couple of questions here and there, mostly directed at Dunn when he was being grilled. No real bush kicking though. Why is that UN?

 

[Lab_Rat]

Current vote count:
Wiz (0) - AAF (#725), FF (#740)
FF (1) - Dawg (#785)
Dawg (1) - FF (#789)
Pappy (2) - LG #790, Bally (#802)

No votes: everyone else.


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[jpappy789]

What are others thoughts on Pap not acknowledging Ballys role claim, does no one else not find it odd? If Bally had not come out, then yeah I obviously see nothing being said, but she has come out with the claim and I assume one would get a PM saying they were turned if they were, wouldn't they?

Yes, I was nipped. Sorry it's been hectic with everything going on...I had just skimmed over nightfall and then the posts beforehand when I did post last and just wasn't thinking straight after seeing Bally RC and name me. I don't see any reason for people to not believe Bally now. I do expect people to not believe me entirely, but I'd rather not leave it in the dark at this point in the game.

According to Lab's PM I cannot reveal any info on specific roles, which I assume means I cannot name scum or any roles we previously investigated.

Now to explain my behavior:

Me picking to vote Bally at first was to stay consistent. As you can see above I could not come out and state I knew Kash was scum and I was going after Bally quite a bit the day before. I tried to make it seem like I really was torn between choosing Bally or Kash because I didn't want to break the rules and because I didn't want to seem like I was doing a 180, which would be just as suspicious. It's also hard for someone to be working with a team for the whole game and then suddenly be told you have to switch allegiances. I will honestly say that I thought about still trying to help the scum team, regardless if I would have technically lost or not.

I will say with Rudolph gone and with all the innocent RCs (which I hate) that I don't doubt the scum are close to finding Santa. I don't think scum expected Rich to step in with the hit either and for all we know that may have saved us another day. The town cannot afford to lynch an innocent tonight.

My vote will come shortly. I need to figure out how to say this without breaking any rules but also in order to give the town info.

 

[Ballyhoo]

So now it's LG against Pap...
I'm not 100% sure I believe LG, she has been too helpful, subtly forceful with influencing votes (telling me to vote Kash to prove I'm Jack, and stroking AAF's ego to gain his confidence). What she says could be true, I'm not sure on exact numbers but is there a chance of lynching a possibly innocent Pap and then the evils hit, and then losing the game. Or would it be better to lynch LG to prove who she says she is, I can see her pulling a fake RC to protect herself, LG doesn't do anything small imo, always has to go above and beyond to "prove" something and sometimes digs too big of a hole. but with that option we also risk losing 2 innocents again..... idk just what's going through my mind atm

 

[Ballyhoo]

Jack Frost feels mischievous tonight. They head out on the town, seeking a nip. Jack come across their target and kicks them in the shin to distract them. Jack then gets a nip in.

This doesn't say anything about my nip being unsuccessful.

 

[jpappy789]

Town, keep in mind I am trying to reveal as much as possible without breaking or bending any rules.

Well, I was hoping to get some others thoughts before I leave...I have to go to my Moms and most likely will not be back before nightfall. I know I and others have said for no one else to come out, but I know something that needs to be shared. If I knew I'd be back before nightfall I'd say nothing...but I can't leave without knowing what others thoughts are and not sure I'll be back to find out, I feel I HAVE to say it.

I am Sugar Snow Pants, I had a magic sugar that could be used on any lynch/hit victim to communicate one time with them at any time. I used it on Ice, because he seems to be able to read other players pretty good and I value his thoughts. So I asked him what his thoughts were on Pap. The message I got back was that he and Santa had invested Pap and Pap is the Grinch.

So this is why I was questioning Bally so much on her nip to Pap, if it was used on him...it did nothing and there was no "turn", he very well may be the last evil and there is no way I could leave not knowing if I can come back before nightfall, and not let you guys know this.

So when did you use this so called power of yours? Why did you just come out with it now? You said earlier that you believed I was innocent to start and then was "nipped" evil...but now I am the Grinch. I would think that if it was so definitive that you would have mentioned this a lot earlier than 4-5 hours before nightfall.

If Ice knew I was scum, why would he vote for Dun when I had been grilling him? Would that not have tipped him off that Dun was likely innocent?

Bottom line is I modded the last Xmas game and this innocent elf never existed. Creative name though...

I vote to lynch LG

 

[the wizard]

This doesn't say anything about my nip being unsuccessful.

It also doesn't say that it was successful. This will require some thought. Time to dig some more.