Mafia #99: The ACville Files- Game Thread

Unfortunately, no. It didn't go as planned. I thought if Kash was scum that she would vote for me the first time around. I do find it odd that she waited to see what other's thoughts were on me before she voted. At least that's the way I see it. Not to mention that would be a stupid plan if I was scum. I would have just left my vote where it was in the first place.
So since it didn't go as planned, do you still think Kash is scum?
 
If it works with everyone I will freeze votes and other actions at 10pm Eastern tonight and ask that people do not reveal anything before I can run the nightfall events. I should hopefully be back within a couple hours and that way I'm not cutting into time that people would normally post. I shouldn't need to have the thread locked or anything like that but please remember that nothing you say will change the outcomes if it is after 10.

Again, I apologize for this and it hopefully will be just this one occurrence.
 
I am interested to know why you are leaning Wiz, JB and myself innocent.

I could be totally wrong on one or all of you, but you all seem to be working for the good of the town. Granted this list was before I have had the time to go back over the entire thread.

Thanks for the list Noods. You've only named two as possible scum, and many more as possible innocents. You do realize there are 4 scum roles this game, right?

Yes, Labby I do realize there are more than two scum, if you would notice, I have several that I am undecided on at this point. My list will most likely evolve and change as I go through the thread.

I apologize but something came up tonight so I will be pushing back nightfall. I can either move the time completely or just freeze votes and other actions and post when I get back. It would be very late tonight...
whatever works for you Pappy.
 
I am off today so I will be on and off the thread.

actually, I had time to read a biut and made a decision to read further into it and posted that though, then explained my absence this game. I am surprised you missed that. As I stated, I am bringing the dog back today and will post after that after reading more. At 1:30 in the morning, it was hard to think of anything, much less make that post. Or did you miss that too.

I didn't miss anything, except I did mean to do a g/o g/o for your dog. I have been working 12 to 14 hour days lately and if you check the time stamps on my posts you will see I too have been on late and intelligent or not, I do attempt to make some kind of input instead of excuses why I can't be on.

I could be wrong (not likely) but, it seems to me that if you have time to post you have time to try to help the town no matter how feeble an attempt. If you are in fact innocent that is.
 
Yes, Labby I do realize there are more than two scum, if you would notice, I have several that I am undecided on at this point. My list will most likely evolve and change as I go through the thread.
I'm confused then how you have more towards leaning innocent than leaning scum.
 
FF... i just think it was too obvious he was going to UD. he has a history of disappearing when he's grilled and he put himself in a bad place with not one, but 2 of the most prominent intellectually and unforgiving morally (basically they both see black and white pretty well) individuals on this site. he was getting grilled by ice in the game and admitted to being pm'd by john.

despite the actions/discussion that didn't belong in the game by both parties, it was extremely obvious that FF was not coming back to vote in time.

hence... no i absolutely am not giving even remotely the opportunity to let folks who voted FF when he was going to UD have a free (or bargain if you will). actually, this is way worse than giving FF a free pass for slipping up since we're talking competent, able minded adults who are weathered veterans of the game. i think it's horrible and shameful that someone would even consider that.

NO FREE PASSES unless you're can't get right. (we've all seen the movie life with martin lawrence and eddy murphy, right?) even then, they're limited.

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low posting before 2nd nightfall is a wash. just way too many low posters, IMO.

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WTHeck AAF is doing, i have no clue. i have no idea why he'd defend me except the close proximity of our votes. then again, just like FF, i rarely have any clue what AAF is doing besides sinking his own ship (and in turn helping me sink my own... which of course at this stage i need no help). from pryor games, it should be easy to tell that this is about as far as i've gone...

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Dawgs interactions with Kash don't seem right. i can't pinpoint it exactly, but this...



strikes me as terribly simpleton-ish (yes i made that up, sue me) of him, even for speaking to AAF. although, i'm not sure that means anything except he had a couple beers in him after a game and was trying to be simple and straight forward.

i'm torn...

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:rofl: that's the feeling i almost always get from Kash. i need to learn to read her more gooder.

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i'm pointing this out because it represents a major fundamental flaw in how the game has been played lately...

the problem here is "when in doubt, vote FF... it's safe and easy since he invariably makes a case for himself." meaning... we should all be looking for bigger fish to fry at all times, IMO. giving the scum team their choice of good players as often as we do by focusing on FF is ridiculous at best.

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pappy made it very clear before the game started that he'd like 16 players so the scum team can represent 25% of the posting bodies. since we actually started with 16 players and have only lost innocents, i have no doubt there are 4 scummates hiding amongst us.

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hey, look at this, jb... you left the quotes with links in your post... i can just click on them and go straight to them... how easy is that? then i can just drag them into place to re-create your entire post. it's almost too easy... i gather even a caveman can do it. :D



it's your turn to push for me. i get that... this game isn't exactly all-telling and you have to poke somewhere. however, i certainly don't like the tone of this part of your answer to dawg. seems the whole "would you rather me vote an innocent ice over an innocent FF" excuse is a tone throughout this thread at this point and truth be told, the only folks who can legitimately use that excuse would be folks who knew who was on which team. nobody knows whos alignment is where except scum and those investigating and communicating. i hope to see less "would you rather me" copouts and more actual answers like the rest of your post seemingly is.

needless to say, you're not off my radar, either... ice has that position all to himself. ;)

also... see, this wasn't hard...
http://www.aquariacentral.com/forum...-Game-Thread&p=2737526&viewfull=1#post2737526
as much as i play with computers. i do moderate another site, you know. i also remotely maintain a few dozen pc's for friends and family that are out of state. if i can't put a single reply together, there's a serious issue beyond what's considered cognitive.
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defending FF is neither here nor there. it's going to happen and it's likely not going to get us anywhere. i am human, therefore i may be wrong, but that's black and white to me.

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but when that scummy player turns out to be a townie, watch your back.

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i see your point on dawg (how you could say that, should i say), but what the heck are you thinking with the rest of this post? i have admitted and apologized for my absence in this game. unfortunately, that may continue. however, my lack of posting is definitely the opposite of pro town and i think it's pretty clear and accepted that ice is DEFINITELY innocent at this point.

could you clarify this for me, AAF? even i want to know...

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i may be afraid of the big black bat, but other methods of torture are just par for the course in my home.

:rofl: you two are killing me, here...

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and you're surprised? we need another "lynch FF the game" for our perpetual noobs to get some of this out of our systems. maybe we can call it "get picked on one last time... the game"? (if that's not funny, please understand, 2 hours sleep in 3 nights... or thereabouts... and i'm not funny to begin with)

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more than that, big guy, but i think i may be able to see why you'd want it narrowed down. or are you narrowing with your introduction by saying these players voted innocent on both nights?

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holy crap... i'm only up to PP9 (post 321). not only do i need a break, but i hope this fits on a single post...

And some people think Kashta's posts can be lengthy. If this post were made into a movie, it would need an intermission like Gone With The Wind.

All in all, I detect a little attitude but, it does appear that Dun is trying.
 
lots of catching up to do. (sorry for my absence) I will try to answer questions/posts without pulling quotes.

Voting innocents both nights - My vote on Rich was a joke vote and he was not in any danger of getting lynched. My vote for FF on night two - he was at the top of my meager list at the time and I completely expected him to pop in at the last minute and make a vote. If I did move my vote my only other options, besides a singleton vote, would have been for Ice, which i did/do not see him as scum or Kash which would have forced a tie between her and Ice. I felt better about leaving my vote on FF. Obviously I was wrong.

My thoughts on players:

Labby - not sure - possibly innocent
AAF- seems easily flustered but could lean him either way
DD - not sure, not enough posting to determine
Ice - duh!
Zaffy - leaning scum. the exchanges between he and Kash are interesting
Wiz - leaning innocent
Kash - not sure but could easily lean her scum. she is a tricky one.
Dawg - leaning innocent
Dun - not sure. have not played with him before.
JB - leaning innocent
Noods - adorable and thoroughly enjoying the playoffs with the boys and too much beer. ;-) (my liver is grateful there are no games today!)

I will definitely take the time today to go back over everything and see what sticks out the most to me and post my thoughts.

I would like a little more input as to why you are leaning players scum/innocent. Any specifics? Maybe you saw something other's missed? That is how to help root out scum. You have played this before right?
 
In general, There are so many unknowns to the equation. Kashta didn't completely change her view of me but after rereading said she saw what I was saying she missed. I don't know for sure how I feel about that. It could be legitimate or it could have been the scum team saying she wasn't getting anywhere with me and to extricate herself from the exchange. I have never been able to read her scum or innocent so at this point all I can do is watch.

I said I was willing to give Dun a chance to get caught up and post with a clear head and it does appear that he is trying now.

Still hoping AAF can learn from our exchange yesterday morning and apply it to his game play so that he asks pointed questions so as to be more helpful for the town and a better player.

Zaffy I am still on the fence about. with his flippant attitude it is difficult to read him but could push him off the fence to the scum side easier that the town side.

Dawg is almost impossible to read. I need to rely more on gut feel with him than anything. I have been right about him with my initial feel the past couple of games but am not getting a feel either way at this point.

As much as I like to get into it with LR there just isn't enough for me to make a decision yet.

Suspecting JB is a given, but he appears to be helping the town at this point.

Noods and DD are in the same category for me. With their lack of input and participation I am smelling something fishy in Denmark and it aint the tuna.

What sucks is we are coming to the third night fall tonight and with the lack of content the past two game days there just doesn't seem to be enough to make a good firm decision on alignments.
 
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