Need advice for a salt water dip

Hey Tay, I'm sorry you're still fighting this. I have been checking your posts to see how things were coming with your loaches, but I held back from giving an opinion on what action to take regarding the few specks that you had remaining, as I have been playing a waiting game with Ich myself.

I was holding my breath at this point because I have been in the same boat as you and I was waiting to see how things went with the Garlic Guard and your loach's immune system.

You know I had been treating my Brochis for Ich with Ich Attack, and I believe it may have been successful, eventually. All but two specks had fallen off, when I had a loss of electrical power due to a storm. I lost filtration, heat, air pumps and so the Ich treatment was ended and I had to move my tank occupants to a friends house in a sterilite temporary tank.

They stayed there for two days while my power was off, and I could hardly expect this friend to take care of continuing the treatment. I believe that Ich Attack would have worked eventually, but, because the treatment was interrupted, I can't say for a certainty, and now I'll never know at this point.

I was hopeful that, since there were only two specks left at the time of the power failure, there would not be another outbreak of Ich, but, even as I was wishfully hoping, I knew that if there were still specks, there would be Ich.

Well, when I moved my fish back home, still in their temporary tank, I hoped everything would be alright, but Sunday a week ago I found "salt" specks on the Brochis again.

At this point I decided to forgo Ich Attack and hit them with the big guns. The heat/salt method, though I jokingly call this the "big guns", is by all accounts safe and effective.

I just want to treat my fish and get this over with as soon as possible.

Ich Attack, although it does say on the bottle that it is an organic herbal treatment, does contain napthoquinones that are a class of chemicals originally isolated from a fungus and developed into antibiotics used for treatment of bacterial infections in humans and other animals.

The research biologist I spoke with at Kordon said that their research and development of Ich Attack as a treatment for Ich, containing napthoquinones, is safe for all fish, inverts, plants and amphibians and does work but may take longer.
I certainly agree it takes longer, and much too long in my opinion since the heat/salt method can safely and effectively kill Ich in a much shorter period of time.

I started treatment the evening of June 28th and I'm still going with the heat and salt. All specks fell off, except for one, by day five of the treatment. I don't know why I am still seeing a speck at the base of one of the fin rays on the dorsal fin. It should have dropped off by now.

I'm going to continue until it drops off or I decide that it is not an Ich speck at all. My Brochis and two Ottos are fine and seem to be experiencing no ill effects from this treatment. I separated my two ADFs, my mystery snail, plants, shrimp, and a ramshorn or twenty to my 10 gallon and have them there, while I continue treatment for Ich in the temporary tank.

I think your best bet is to go with the heat/salt method and don't stop until you are dang sure all of those blasted Ich protozoan parasite creeps are dead and gone.
 
long time no talk :headbang2:
Thanks yet again for the info...I'm sorry to hear it spread again -_-
At this point the garlic has been going about 1.5 weeks and the big guy shook one of the four remaining spots from his tail fin yesterday...no salt + heat yet and absolutely no spreading of ich to any of the other 9 fish in the tank (5 other clown loaches and 4 albino corys)
The cory's did not contract ich during this entire ordeal but the other clown's did start getting it about 4 days after I saw the initial spot on the big guys tail fin

It still has not spread up to this point (on the big guy or to any other fish in the tank for that matter) so I guess I can assume the garlic is working...slowly but surely
and the fish seem to absolutely love it

the rest of the fish in that tank must be extremely healthy and their immune systems strong enough to prevent the ich from setting in to them...but the big guy might take a while

the fact that he did push that one spot off is pretty much the only reason I want to continue with the garlic guard...I want to see if he can naturally shake the end of these pesky parasites

I will do salt and heat however if he is has not lost any other spots in the next 3 days...also in the future...it's way cheaper, works faster and seems a more natural way to kick the infestation

Only 3 spots to go (1 on the nose which is almost off...it's very visible
but the 2 on his left side near his dorsal fin seem more...i dunno...imbedded in his skin and not as visible which I'm hoping the immune system + salt can push those out...)

I'm worried though that if they're not treated soon enough...Do I run a risk of having the parasites burrow themselves under the skin and do internal damage? I know it's kind of cold to see what the big guy can take, but I'm learning and as I'm intending to keep mass quantities of these fish in the near future...I figure it couldn't hurt to learn a little about them and how vital a fish's immune system is to their well being

thank you all for the constant support
it is greatly appreciated

Sincerely,
Taylor

Oh and I tried to get those pictures...no dice...they look horrible cuz the fish don't really stop moving ever unless they're hiding in their cave

sorry >_<
 
The parasites don't burrow further. They stay where they are for a couple of days and then release the spores. You may not even be seeing live parasites; they may just be exit wounds.
 
you know what...that's a pretty logical explanation

I really can't imagine Ich surviving at 84 degrees for a month especially with the meds

I think you might be right man..kudos

Now if there was some way to make sure...any ideas?
 
It can't last more than a few days on the fish. If the spots are the same ones as there more than a few days ago, then they're not live ich parasites.

I'd discontinue treatment and observe.
 
man you have a very logical mind
it makes me feel better hearing that ...although I really am quite new to fishkeeping
common sense seems to fill in some of the blanks most of the time

so I guess we can assume because the spots haven't spread for about 1.5 weeks with no meds in the tank or salt (other than what I put in my WC buckets) that they are exit wounds

genius
 
I think maybe the spot I see on the dorsal fin ray of my Brochis is an exit wound, now that you explain that, Karl. Thanks.

I've been doing the heat salt method since the 28th, actually I didn't have the heat start until the 29th when I got a new heater. Do you think I've gone long enough. All but the one speck dropped of by Saturday the 4th.

If so, how much water should I remove and then replace with non saline water, since they have been in this degree of salinity for about nine days? (2tsp per gallon)
 
I have Kosher salt, no iodine or additives, though I've learned that table salt is fine, too.
 
Curiousness is nagging me...

You are using Table salts? Not Marine Salts?

Marine salt is expensive; you need that for creating brackish conditions but for treating disease it's just a case of whacking up the specific gravity to kill the parasites by osmosis. Sugar would probably do it, but it would probably encourage bacteria.
 
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