new discus tank setup

i had 7 of them in a planted 110 they were 2.5" when i got them and they did fine on weekly WC and i think it is a must to keep salt in the water and higher temp 82 to 85
my self i dont like the look of bare bottom tanks
the tank raised ones are best and if your keeping other fish try to stay away from fast moving ones ( the Discus dont like them )
if you want them to look their best you have to keep up on the WC

just my 2 cents

dan
 
+1 on Archangel's post.

Don't get caught up in the hard vs soft water thing. As explained, consistency is much more important than monkeying with water chemistry all the time. Besides, juvies actually grow better in harder water.

I would NOT keep juvie discus with angels. The main reason is that the angels are much more aggressive at feeding time and can easily bully the discus away from food at a point in their growth when they need every bit for optimum growth. Discus are "grazers" in their feeding habits. They mostly let the food fall to the bottom and peck at it there, though I have a couple who are not shy at all about devouring their food before it even gets close to the bottom. lol

For your first time I'd definitely go bare bottom; much easier to keep clean.

To reiterate more of Archangel77's post, don't be lazy with their care. Get a routine going and stick with it. When I raise juvies I do a 50% water change 2 to 3 times a week, feed several small feedings a day, and keep the water at around 85F. The adults are kept at 84F.

Make sure you have adequate filtration on your 55, good reliable heater and a good test kit so you can get quick answers on your water quality if things start to go south.

Keep 'em warm, keep 'em clean, keep 'em fed.

Welcome to the greatest fish out there.

Mark


Mark - made a great point about the water and what Juvies need to grow! Its clear that we are like minded.
 
Bottom line is if you don't want to do frequent water changes, just buy adult discus or at least close to adult discus. Many people have nice, beautiful planted tanks with discus. You don't have to worry so much about your water...lots of people go straight from the tap. After having juvies...my next discus pruchase is going to be adult fish!!
 
i had 7 of them in a planted 110 they were 2.5" when i got them and they did fine on weekly WC and i think it is a must to keep salt in the water and higher temp 82 to 85
my self i dont like the look of bare bottom tanks
the tank raised ones are best and if your keeping other fish try to stay away from fast moving ones ( the Discus dont like them )
if you want them to look their best you have to keep up on the WC

just my 2 cents

dan
why do you think it is a must to keep salt in the water?

Discus normally come from a very low TDS water meaning low in salts.
 
I'd like to see some pictures of fish that did "fine" starting at 2.5" in a planted tank with bi-weekly water changes.

I had a bunch that I got from someone who did this as well. When he moved I bought the discus, it was my first time keeping them. I also thought they looked "fine" they were the jewels of my collection until I actually got myself some fish that were raised bare bottom with daily water changes. The difference was night and day. The ones who were raised in a planted tank were stunted, never got over 4", weren't shaped very nicely and in the end weren't very long lived. I didn't know any better at the time, but once I did get my hands on some beautiful round vigorous adults, I really felt bad for the little guys.

Once they are adults, you have much more wiggle room.

I can not see any reason to salt a dicus tank either. I think this would be harmful in the long run and I don't see any benefit at all.
 
I dont use salt in my tanks. Thats a good question?
 
The Theory is that at some point the carbon stops leaching out Junk from the water and starts releasing toxins into the water. ALSO If you are doing 50% 2 times a week is it really needed? AT least that's the way I understand it. If I am mistaken please get me up to speed!

Arkangel77
 
Carbon DOES NOT leach anything bad back into the tanks. Carbon is really only active for maybe a month, doing what it was designed to do, adsorbing some impurities in the water and clarifying it. I keep and have always kept carbon in all of my filters. I have two filters on every tank over 30G and one on the smaller ones. Nitrifying bacteria will live on the carbon the same as it does on your normal ceramic media and sponges. So while I only throw new carbon in maybe once a year to help clear water after a rescape (yes I rescape at least once a year), it stays put as an established part of my biological filtration, gets rinsed along with the other filter contents when I clean my filters, and gets put back in. I could throw it out, I know it's usefullness as carbon is long expired, but I'd be throwing 1/3 of my nitrifying bacteria out and don't want to do that. The other 2/3's of the nitrifying bacteria are on my sponges and ceramic media. If I throw it out from my aquaclears, I'd just put another sponge in and have to wait for the bacteria to establish on the new sponge. There's just really no point to do that. You don't need carbon to keep your water clear and healthy if you're not overfeeding and you're doing adequate, routine water changes. I'm sure it seemed more useful years ago when people DIDN'T perform the necessary water changes that we now know are essential for the health of our fish. My tanks are spot on beautiful and my fish are beautiful, healthy, breeding and thriving and have been for years, including my discus. As are my plants, snails and shrimp. With thousands of dollars worth of fish and plants, any supposed leached toxins would have surely shown up by now. I dislike myths....a lot! Someday we'll discus how regularly and thoroughly rinsing all of your filter media in municipal tap water does not kill your nitrifying bacteria too.:grinno:

And while I don't advocate everyone raising young discus in planted tanks without fishkeeping experience and a thorough understanding of discus and aquarium/water care .....mine were all raised from 2" in this planted tank with 3 water changes weekly, then down to 2, then down to 1 now that they are adults. There are basic requirements that must be met in order to do this and not everyone can meet these requirements....IF the tank is large enough, IF you feed frequently but carefully, IF you're not feeding beefheart several times daily as the staple growth food where leftover beef fat goes uneaten and rapidly spoils in water, IF you've got healthy discus from healthy discus parents who possess the genetics to even achieve the average 6" discus size, and IF you are dedicated to this routine care for them, then you may be able to successfully raise 2-2.5" fish in a planted tank. There's a lot of IF's there. If the tank is large enough to promote proper growth, and your stock is good and it is barebottom and you change the water religously every day, yet you feed juvie discus only 1X or 2X a day...I guarantee you won't ever have a 6"+ discus. So the IF's are connected and required. Take a look at the competition/challenge going on the past year over at simplydiscus where each discus keeper got juvies from the same batch and each person is growing their discus out in a completely different manner and tank set up with differing maintenance and feeding schedules and routines, including in a planted tank without daily water changes and without beefheart. They are all equally successful in rearing unstunted fish that are very comparable in size. The IF's were all met and the keepers all had a thorough understanding of fishkeeping before they started. Here's a quick pic of my guys. 6" is average, some will be smaller no matter what you do (smaller, not stunted), and occasionally someone will get an 8" or 9" discus. It would be impossible to get an 8" or 9" discus with no genetics for it, no matter how much beefheart your feed and water changes you do. And even breeding two 8" or 9" discus isn't going to assure you 8" or 9" offspring. You MIGHT get another fish that large out of that batch, but odds are you won't. The average size for wild discus is 6" as well. It's the norm.

Turbosaurus, the first discus you got weren't fed or cared for properly period. Stunting and odd shaped discus can occur with a fish or two in any batch. It's a proven fact.

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Agree 100%. I love discus, I've had discus going on 4 years and always learning. I have a 40 gallon with two in it, max amount for me, and a 55 with 4 in it with some other compatible fish. They are not cheap. A lot of work is involved in them. My opinion is a planted tank with gravel not sand and make sure if you put live plants make sure the gravel has the right nutrients in it. They need a place to hide I use natural looking wood parts can be very expensive. I use good quality canister water filter. Make sure you have fish meds. And the stress coat, stresszyme, Peat for water softening, Discus buffer, Prime (remove nitrate, ammonia etc). I feel starting off slow and planning out, get your supplies etc etc. Get as much advice from Discus breeders and he will be successful. I change mine 30% twice a week and have had really good luck sometimes once at 50%. Watch out for snails with live plants; hard to get rid of. 6-6.6 Ph 80-84 F. )
 
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