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For a very long time, horses have been bred and imported into the US as work and companion animals. Other cultures have ascribed a high social status to the horse (nomads, Arabs, desert cultures) so much so that they live in the tents with people. Their milk is used, but they are not consumed.

There has not been a *tradition* of using horses as a food source in the US. Only in times of great necessity have "we" resorted to knowingly eating horseflesh. Other countries are different--I saw "rib of foal" on the menu at a restaurant in Geneva, Switzerland; I had to leave. Horses are amazing companions, they are sentient being, yes, I know they have souls, and my horses are my children. I have raised them all since they "hit the ground." The legislation to ban the sale of and slaughter of horses is essential. Kentucky supports it, as they have a glut of horses--for every winning Thoroughbred racehorse, there are thousands that are bred and need "disposal." At a local horse auction, the Alpo man would be there every week to purchase knackered horses who were just too far gone to serve any other useful purpose, as well as those who the owners just viewed as a liability. Knowingly sold for rendering (by the way, very little glue is made from horses any more; casein and mucilage are still around. Elmer's is made from milk by-products, read the label: made by Borden's, with Elsie the Cow on the bottle).

Mustangs are rounded up by the FBLM and sold to the hightest bidder, often for $25 and up. Alot of unscrupulous humans were buying them up and selling them to the meat plants. The United States remains the largest exporter of equine flesh for human consumption in the world. People are trying to change that, for so many of the mustangs who may be taxing the land resources can be trained and lead useful lives. I have a friend who rescued a mare and her filly--as mustangs, they are often considered "throw-way animals," much as many humans view fish, little chicks and ducks and bunnies at Easter, etc. The mustang is part of our national heritage; they really do ascend from the early Spanish exploiters, oops, I mean explorers, and have developed into hardy, beautiful, precious members of our collective heritage. Watch "Cloud: Stallion of the Rockies" some time (PBS). And why do people get so outraged over cruelty to dogs, ignorance over pits (I have a Staffordshire Bully girl) and fight for their rights? No, I will not knowingly eat dog, but I don't eat out.

I was a vegetarian for years, mixed foods to create proper proteins and nutrients, etc., but it got to a point that I needed to go back to animal protein. Yes, it's hard to eat beef when there are beautiful happy cattle here on the farm where I live, and I fall in love with each calf, name alot of them, then at 6-9 months, they go to auction. I know they've lived a happy and healthy free-range diet, well cared-for. But to be realistic, I do eat a llittle beef--in ground form, no more steaks. No pork, can't handle it. Chicken. Some seafood. Etc.

In North Carolina, the leading moneymaker in the agricultural industry is the equine industry. Aside from breeding and raising horses, you have: auctions for quality horses, land for the horses, places to board them, land to produce hay (we baled around 5,000 square bales and 50 large round bales (cattle) this spring.) I alone spent $250 on spring fertilizer for my 4 acres. There are trainers, magazines, workshops and seminars, Therapeutic riding stables for mentally and physically challenged children and adults, shows, venues for showing, feed stores that sell bagged grains and feeds, fly sprays, wormers, dietary supplements, treats, saddles, other tack for training and riding, barn tools, "beauty products" like shampoos, conditioners, decorative materials for parades, people and buildings to provide these services-----get the point? People who have horses, for the most part, care very deeply for these amazing creatures who are emotional, intellligent, can understand over 200 words if you talk to them alot (dogs learn over 300)--but they are prey animals and instinct for survival, which includes spooking/running,etc, which many humans take for stupidity. My 10 year old mare gives me gentle kisses, even if I don't ask for one--soft, velvety nose.

Now, in closing, I'm not sucked into those of you who have been baiting others with your "mmm, mmm, good, gimme a big thick horse steak." Been there, heard that, over and over. As with our kept fish, unless a horse is wild, a mustang out on the plains, they have chemicals in them--other than so many cattle (ours are clean)--llike wormers, fly preventives, tetanus shots, lots of other things. Wouldn't eat that. If I were starving and all I had were my horses? I'd use them as transportation and barter, not as food.
 
I decided to become a vegetarian for ethical reasons at the age of eight. It's really not that big of a deal. And contrary to the less educated opinions voiced in this thread on this matter, my health has not suffered as a result of this choice, my brain has not shriveled, and I actually am quite a fatty. Stating that all vegetarians are waifish hippies is like broadly noting that all omnivores are paragons of health.

First off calling people uneducated for their views on a topic is rude and very immature. second if you where half as educated as you claim those of us (I) that feel your lifestyle is un healthy you would have had the inteligence to read that twice I have stated there will be exceptions and 99% of you look like stickfigures. Of course there will always be someone who is overweight. Please read before you post, it only makes you look that much more ignorant if you try to undermine facts that where not stated.

As far as health goes I eat meat 3 times a day and I'm healty as a horse!! I have low blood pressure and cholesterol. I run with my dogs every day and make sure all 3 of my pits get a healthy game of tug each evening. So obviously meat isn't as evil as you think it is.
 
Speaking of reading, where did I say meat was evil? You have stated repeatedly that vegetarianism is an inferior, and unnatural choice. The only evidence you have offered to support your statement is your opinion, which seems to be tempered only by your own observations. By definition, that's an uneducated view. It wasn't intended as a personal insult, and I'm not going to apologize for being direct. And come on, saying that one percent of a population may be different than the rest of the group isn't really saying much. My point is that you have been demanding that a particular poster, who seems very young to me, explain to you her dietary choices. You can assert that you are healthy and she/I/ any vegetarian on the planet is less so until you are blue in the face but that doens't make it true.
 
ok, i must have misunderstood your post.... im sorry about that:)
i dont mind people who eat meat, i just dont want to:)
 
There are certain animals that have been adopted into human 'families', horses being one of them. That is why the concept of slaughtering and eating them is so disturbing to a lot of people.

If you guys can understand why someone would get upset at seeing a dog slaughtered and eaten, then why can't you understand the same applies to horses to many people? They are seen as family members to a lot of families in the country.

If I knew someone who kept pigs as pets in his family and loved them, I would completely understand if he was disgusted by people eating pork. Why can't any of you guys understand that for horses?
 
Sorry to double post but I wanted to respond to Rosita too. On a personal level, I agree with you 100% I hate the idea of horses going to slaughter. I truly hate it. But I hate it because of how I view horses, not because eating them is across the board immoral. But I don't think that banning slaughter is going to change much other than how the remains are used. Even if it is banned nationally, that's not going to change the racing industry, and that's what has to change in order to stop horses from being killed. Unscrupulous breeding and training is the root of unwanted racehorses, not the foreign meat market. A lot of horses that aren't fit for racing can be rehomed and retrained and go on to live long, happy, useful lives but the harsh truth is that a lot of them can't. What becomes of those horses? I would love to adopt one but the truth is that I already have the number of animals that I can afford, so I can't. I find overbreeding in horses as offensive as I do with cats and dogs. In my view, the racing industry is the biggest offender in this regard. I grew up fairly close to Fairmont Park and believe me, racing creates a lot of refuse. Those people care about horses as winners or losers and that's it. They are the source of a lot of this problem.
Mustangs are kind of a different issue, if the government received half as much pressure from citizens concerned about mustangs grazing on federal land as it does from ranchers who believe that mustangs are a threat to the cattle they graze on federal land, mustang slaughter wouldn't be much of an issue. But again, banning slaughter isn't going to change the BLM's asinine style of "herd management," it's just going to change where the mustangs go once the government "manages" them.
As individuals who consider horses family, we need to change the focus of our anger, I think. We shouldn't be angry that horses are eaten, we should be angry at the factors in our country that allow something we value to become so disposable.
 
ugh, that stuffs what the food eats. man was not made to exist on plants alone, and i'd be moving to a more civilized country where i can get a steak if that happened. As liberal as I am in some things, that attitude is one of the ones that scares me the most. you guys don't wanna eat meat, thats your call, but leave the rest of us to our steaks and chops. And the tofu stuff is a disgusting, blasphomous joke, its ok in benito broth, but the replacement stuff is garbage that I wouldn't feed an animal. And yes, I have spent time working with horses, as well as most other normal US domestic food animals including bison, beefalo, goats, sheep, hogs, poultry and osterich, and horses rank WAY down there for me.

the one and ONLY one concession i would EVER consider making is that everyone who eats meat should at least ONCE be required to kill it, clean it and grill it. Now, I am not much of a hunter, never for sport, but coming from an agronomic background, i feel this country has completly lost touch with where its food comes from and what goes into it. people have this view of animals as cuddly pets and that steaks and produce come from the magic grocery store fairy's. sure, they intellectially may know where the food come from, but too many people have never set foot on a farm; seen corn harvested, wheat ground, a cow milked, or any of the other things that go into putting food on peoples tables. Its a complete disconect as to whats required to sustain a nation and i don't mean growing the stock market. Whats worse is horse people that move to the country, get a little land to fence off for their pets and call theselves farmers while riding through farmers crops, trespassing and and complaining about noise, dust and smell from farms when they go to grill their steaks.

Funny, as a conservative, and with this guy being a liberal, I actually agree with everything he just said in this post:) See, it is possible for libs and conservatives to agree at least some of the time:) And just for the record, I want to protect against animal abuse just as much as the next guy, seeing starving or abused dogs and cats really upsets me, but that said peta people are just whacked out of their skulls. Those fanatics take extremism to a whole nother level.
 
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There are certain animals that have been adopted into human 'families', horses being one of them. That is why the concept of slaughtering and eating them is so disturbing to a lot of people.

If you guys can understand why someone would get upset at seeing a dog slaughtered and eaten, then why can't you understand the same applies to horses to many people? They are seen as family members to a lot of families in the country.

If I knew someone who kept pigs as pets in his family and loved them, I would completely understand if he was disgusted by people eating pork. Why can't any of you guys understand that for horses?

Perhaps because dogs are more intelligent than horses and exhibit more human-esc personality and emotion. And before I get horse people jumping all over me yes you can look that up, it is a fact that dogs are more intelligent that horses. Just a guess though. That, and the fact that a vastly higher percentage of people own dogs as opposed to horses.
 
That's fine but I find it really odd that you argue such a strong point untill you are asked to give proof of your points. Is this because you don't want to argue or because you are simply vomiting up statements given to you by others without taking the time to research yourself??? If you have any literature on why not eating meat is healthier I would honestly like to see it. But it needs to be real literature not some PETA printout bullcrap. If you don't have any basis for your decision I hope you take an open minded look at what you are doing and make your decision a well researched one and do whats best for you. I did at one time look into stoping eating meat, however it goes against the research I found and against my religious beleifs so I continue to eat meat. But bottom line no hard feelings and if you do have some reading for me send it my way either in this thread or by pm.

Joe

There you go again, trying to start a fight again when I said I'm done.

Look at some vegitarian books from the libary and see what you find. A good one to read is "Vegtables Rock! A teenage guide to be being a vegitarian". Forgot the author's name. I know it has a childish name, but the read isn't.

Its hard having a discussion with you because you are so one sided, and you probably think the same of me. So lets please try, if we carry on this discussion, to not be so one sided.

BTW ash, very well said IMO.

CL
 
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I'm saying what is the difference between a dog, cat, horse, fish, cow, pig or any other animal. They are all living beings they all have feelings so what puts some above others and what are the guidelines for this decision.

You said that killing horses, dogs and cats was wrong in your opinion, what about any fish that have died while in your care??? Was that cruel of you or not???

Hi,

The reason people think its more cruel to kill horses then chickens is basically because they have more brain power. Same as comparing dogs to fish.

Thats why I can eat fish on odd ocassions, since they don't have much brain power, and thats why I couldn't eat a horse, they have alot of brain power and feelings.

CL
 
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