Patch users beware...

So only married people are in a committed relationship? I can probably name as many people in non-committed marriages (other than by law) that I can in unmarried relationships. Marriage does not, ultimately, mean you are fully committed or have any better position to raise a child.

Am I ready to have a child? Heck no! I'm still in school - but I'm married. I don't think the abstinence thing is gonna happen any time soon.

I believe statistics show that abstinence programs do not work. They've tried that in Africa, for instance, because the religious reasons of some do not allow for birth control. Well...that doesn't appear to be working. People are not perfect; you cannot rely on "perfection".

Besides that, let's say we rely solely on abstinence. We know not everyone will follow that. So what do you do with all of those unwanted children that otherwise would have/could have been avoided via the use of a birth control method? And not everyone has the same religious reasons/views on abstinence. And it would be foolish to ask them to.

And yes, the pill prevents conception. It prevents the egg from ever being released.

At any rate, I doubt this discussion is what the poster had in mind. All she was doing, as I see it, was passing along some information. If it applies to you in some way or can help you, good. If not, move along.
 
lessons from pilots

And, we should all take a lesson from airline pilots.... if it is important, be sure that you have a backup system. That means that no one should ever rely on ONE method of pregnancy prevention if preventing pregnancy is really important.

So, combine rhythm with something, anything, no one knows but you and no one else cares as much as you (speaking to all women here) and if the timing is bad for rhythm, then double up on whatever else you can find.... spermacide, condoms, sponge, whatever. Never trust tied tubes or a vasectomy, the pill, or even menopause, they all fail on occasion. For example, did you know that there is a widow of about 4 hours that the pill is effective, so if you sleep late and miss that window, you are now unprotected... met a young newlywed attending college who found that out the hard way... she was having an abortion and was pretty PO'd at her doctor who neglected to tell her that little fact.

I know too many women who had pregnancies that they didn't want, compelled by personal beliefs or circumstance to not have an abortion. Some were teenagers, and the young boy who said he would marry her changed his mind. Some were young women who lost their chance for an education after highschool and after the brief marriage and quick divorce spent a lifetime raising a child who never had a dad, which BTW makes it pretty dang hard to raise a kid without support of some sort. Some were married and had discussed "permanent solutions" after having the dreamed of "one boy and one girl" and then got pregnant right after the husband lost his job and all health insurance. Actually know 2 of those, one had what they called "the milion dollar baby" born with major health problems, no insurance. About half of the time the woman managed this alone, abandoned by the man involved. Half the time, the dad stepped up and made it all work. Personally, I think those odds suck.

Botom line, it is your life, take responsibility for managing it.
 
anonapersona said:
So, combine rhythm with something, anything, no one knows but you and no one else cares as much as you (speaking to all women here) and if the timing is bad for rhythm, then double up on whatever else you can find.... spermacide, condoms, sponge, whatever.
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FAM (Fertility Awareness Method...charting of basal temperature, cervical postition, etc) is way more accurate than the "rythm method," but requires discipline, and should only be used within a commited, monogamous (sp?) relationship. It is also a good idea to learn the method properly. Back up methods of contraception must be used if one doesn't abstain during fertile days. Personally, I believe this method is superior to the pill in that it doesn't involve the many potential side effects of the pill.
 
if you were committed...you'd be married..... :D

And you are right...marraige doesn't guarantee a person's committment, especially in this day and age....(extreme selfishness is in these days...it's all about ME after all)......but at least it's something to start on. Rather than someone just playing around having fun....or just plain not thinking it could happen because they are using a "method" to prevent it.....and then all of a sudden....WHOOPS ! Oh gee...what do we do now..??

These young kids get themselves in such messes ! God help em ! ...running off and having an abortion without telling parents....or...somehow hiding the pregnancy, giving birth in a public restroom and then dumping the baby in a garbage can !! (I've heard way too many of those stories!)...or a young mother trying to raising a baby by herself because daddy couldn't cope with the responsibility...and left...

It is possible for a person to make that committment and stick to it...if they are taught that it's possible or even an option for crying out loud ! But rarely if ever is it even mentioned....it's always just assumed that "kids will do it" and that's just the message they recieve...and so they live up to the expectation...and...what a mess !
 
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mishi8 said:
FAM (Fertility Awareness Method...charting of basal temperature, cervical postition, etc) is way more accurate than the "rythm method," but requires discipline, and should only be used within a commited, monogamous (sp?) relationship. It is also a good idea to learn the method properly. Back up methods of contraception must be used if one doesn't abstain during fertile days. Personally, I believe this method is superior to the pill in that it doesn't involve the many potential side effects of the pill.
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"Only within a committed monogamous relationship" ... is that a secret code for "sometimes it fails and you might get pregnant anyway so let's hope you are married or at least ready to have a child with someone" ?

IMO then you'd be stupid to rely on that exclusively. Use that PLUS foam or condoms or cervical cap or sponge or IUD or vasectomy or pill or patch, um, have I run out of secondary methods? oh, yeah, diaphram... how could I forget THAT one. It can slip and you can get pregnant!
 
anonapersona said:
"Only within a committed monogamous relationship" ... is that a secret code for "sometimes it fails and you might get pregnant anyway so let's hope you are married or at least ready to have a child with someone" ?
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No, it means it doesn't prevent STDs. It's got a very high rate of success, but requires dedication to follow the method. If you're one to get swept away with the moment, then it's not the right method for you.

BTW, the pill isn't right for someone outside of a monogamous relationship either. If you sleep with many partners, then you need more protection than the pill, diaphragm, foam, cervical cap, IUD can provide. Only a condom will protect against STDs.
 
Emg said:
Mishi...I added to that last post of mine.......wow, you folks are fast !!
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Okay, then I'll respond to the rest of your post. :D

Emg said:
It is possible for a person to make that committment and stick to it...if they are taught that it's possible or even an option for crying out loud ! But rarely if ever is it even mentioned....it's always just assumed that "kids will do it" and that's just the message they recieve...and so they live up to the expectation...and...what a mess !
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Teenagers need to be given all of the full, correct information about sexuality, their bodies, and contraceptive methods to make an informed decision for themselves. You cannot expect them to make good choices in the absense of choice. Teaching abstinence (and requiring promises of abstinence) only perpetuates the cycle of secrecy, fear and misunderstanding about sex and sexuality. People would be surprised at some of the responsible choices teenagers can make when they are treated and respected as intelligent individuals.
 
mishi8 said:
Teenagers need to be given all of the full, correct information about sexuality, their bodies, and contraceptive methods to make an informed decision for themselves. You cannot expect them to make good choices in the absense of choice. Teaching abstinence (and requiring promises of abstinence) only perpetuates the cycle of secrecy, fear and misunderstanding about sex and sexuality. People would be surprised at some of the responsible choices teenagers can make when they are treated and respected as intelligent individuals.
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Very well said, Mishi!:)
 
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