petition against the Flowerhorn

Originally posted by Rare Cichlids
Actually, low quality flower korns are cheap. They've been sold at my LFS for $6. Buddy, I'm surprised I could afford him! And to make matters worse, they are often, very often, mislabeled as Trimaculatus. This is where the problem is. I can't go to my LFS and by a Trimac anymore because it's probably a hybrid.
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wouldn't it be more likely, considering the going price for these fish, that the owner is passing off Trimacs with different coloration as FH's in an effort to increase sales?
If it were a REAL FH, it seems the shop would be paying more the for fish in the first place, and thus want more back in return for it.
 
u must be referring to butt-uglies. they're 2.99 a lb. a FH big enuff to eat would be quite costly... a gourmet meal.

Originally posted by tricksterpup
I am totally for the production of Flowerhorns. I find them rather tastey when broiled in butter.
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Originally posted by TTman
what town/city/state/country u in? if u r in malaysia, singapore, thailand, etc that would certainly be true. if daz the USA, I'd like to know where, cause it's a rarity. judging from what I've seen on the 'net & locally, I stand by my statement that most would not/could not dish out the $$$ for a FH. I've seen trimacs for $5 but FHs usually start at $50+. Petsmart did have them for $25, but even dat is no more (supply & demand at work here).

Actually I am in the US. And its not a rarity. Its common place now, for Flower horns to be in LFS for under $10. See, your not paying attention to what I said. I didn't say there are malaysian imports at everybodies LFS. I said that there were "Low quality" flower horns. Which are probably the result of a "high quality" flower horn and Trimac. And agian, Stop telling people what they can and can't afford. Its not your place to do that.

real fish are priced higher than the most priced FH??? the ONLY pet fishes I can think of that is priced higher then FHs are the RED asian arrowana & possibly some rare koi. tell me, what other aquarium fish (particularly cichlid) have u seen priced higher than FHs? I've seen FHs that sold for $1000-$100K+. I can NOT think of any other cichlid (including discus) that has sold for such & has been bought. prove me wrong. even if u did find 1 or 2 highly priced specimens, that would be a rarity & NOT commonplace as with the pricing of FHs.

I certainly would NOT pay any more then $100 for any normal cichlid. FHs only net those big $$$$ due to dazzling,stunning COLORATION. funny thing is the original parents are relatively drab looking...
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LOL, "due to dazzling ,stunning COLORATION" :) You know as well as I do that they only sell for that because they are "Lucky" LOL. That is the only reason. The parents look way better than the hybrid off-spring, BTW. I mean there are few Flower horns that look decent. But they still don't compare to a wild Trimaculatus or Citrinellus.
 
Hey, to each his own. Who knows what inspires people to pay such outrageous prices for them? The 'luck' thing probably does have alot to do with it. It's said the FH will become another feng-shui fish, like the Asian Aro, bringing it's owner balance and prosperity. If you believe in that sort of thing, that is...

Hey, considering all the fracas, has anybody popped the cash for DNA testing? I mean, the original breeders haven't said what it is actually crossed with, right? Who knows, maybe just an intensively bred trimac? It's possible...
 
in my origional post i told u it was a cross between a trimac and another, or another 2, cichlids. these are presumed to be from central america...or at least that is one theory. it is definately from trimac thou.
 
I know, but in all the research I did online, there was no-one who claimed to know for sure what the other fish were. There were lists of about a dozen fish that the trimac *might* have been crossed with, maybe multiples, maybe even the Blood Parrot!

Just saying, with such uncertainty, it *might* be just a heavily bred strain of Trimac... Maybe they captured a fish or two in the wild with great coloration, and have been working to perfect that strain? Has anyone done any gene tests?
 
one thing for certain is that it is a hybrid cross, and not a variation or mutation. it is bred out in the far east fish farms, as was the parrot cichlid. authorities cover up the origins of these hybrids to stop more being bred from them. of course, since you can successfully breed the flowerhorn, there isnt really much point. but you can see where they are coming from. also, the less people that know the origins, the more money can be made from those that do....so that sort of info doesnt get out easily.
 
i dont think it is a hybrid. can you prove me wrong?
i dont think it is the result of a trimac and 2 other cichlids either.

i think its a miracle fish spawned from tetras, danios and grass carp. it was first seen high in the moutain tops of tibet where the monks revered(?) the coveted fish for its miraculous healing powers. it seems the monks were getting splinters in their feet from their wooden sandals, and they found that if they let the FH lick the bottoms of their feet, they would usually heal in 3 days.

the monks were so happy they shouted and sang with joy. this is the origin of 'gregorian chant'. sadly, the monks were corrupted by visiters from the west and their wicked north american ways. they all got addicted to crystal meth and began having it imported from countries like malaysia and the phillipines. when the monks could no longer support their habits, they paid the asia drug lords off with the miraculous Flower Horn.

the drug lords found that they could make more money with the fish than they could with drugs, so they began breeding them themselves, but have never been able to match the success of the monks. it could be that they use blue danios instead of zebra danios, but thats another topic of debate.

and thats how we came to where we are today with FH.

its all true. you dont have to believe me, im not gonna make you, but its true, and youll just have to accept that youre wrong eventually. just watch the fish if you dont believe me. youll see this entire story unfold in his eyes.
 
what state/city u in? I've been keeping an eye on their prices, so I would like to know. lols, most people would NOT spend the $$$ for a FH (unless they are as cheap as u claim), at least not the average aquarist. forgive me if u are LOADED. little timmy's dad sure isn't gonna dump $10+ into a fish when a feeder goldfish is 10 cents.

if u believe in dat good luck BS, then more power to you. a wild midas looks grey/white w/black striping. a wild trimac looks green/grey w/a red breast. I hardly call that colorful. beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder ;-)

Originally posted by Rare Cichlids

Actually I am in the US. And its not a rarity. Its common place now, for Flower horns to be in LFS for under $10. See, your not paying attention to what I said. I didn't say there are malaysian imports at everybodies LFS. I said that there were "Low quality" flower horns. Which are probably the result of a "high quality" flower horn and Trimac. And agian, Stop telling people what they can and can't afford. Its not your place to do that.

LOL, "due to dazzling ,stunning COLORATION" :) You know as well as I do that they only sell for that because they are "Lucky" LOL. That is the only reason. The parents look way better than the hybrid off-spring, BTW. I mean there are few Flower horns that look decent. But they still don't compare to a wild Trimaculatus or Citrinellus.
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