Pit Bull bans...WTF?

I think it is safe to say that any breed can be dangerous if not properly trained. I guess the main reason they go after the pits is that they are so strong and persistent once they snap. I have heard many other stories that are just as bad about other large breeds.
That is why have always owned dachshunds. They can be agressive and protective, but if either of them ever loses it I know that I am big enough to defend myself against them.
I had a friend in college that had a pit bull as a child and she could drag the dog around the yard by the tail without a worry.
Bottom line is that like the fish we all own, dogs have various personalities. Some are just downright mean no matter what and others would not even hurt a fly.
 
very good way to put it. :thm:
 
I also live in the Denver area and think the ban is pitiful.

Many good points have been made in this thread. I believe that is not the breed of dog but the breeding and training of the dog that really counts. I think any breed can be aggressive. I also agree that parents should encourage their children to be cautious around all dogs, not just the big ones or the breeds with bad reputations. I have worked in veterinary medicine for many years now and have seen good and bad dogs of a variety of breeds.

I have a golden retriever that is very sweet. She loves children and other dogs and is actually used to help train puppies and is working toward her canine good citizen/therapy dog registry. However, I do not allow any children to pet her unless the children ask me first because I want them to know they should always ask to touch a strange dog, not just reach for one.

I have seen a lot of research about dog bites and several people believe that dogs try to warn people before they resort to biting but people, especially children, do not see the warning signs. Obviously this is not always the case.

Again, this is just my opinion and I hope it doesn't sound testy. I respect how well spoken people have been on this thread, very respectful and understanding :D
 
Aknif your opiniopn is totally cool and the way it should be if you dont like the dogs.
You aretn against people owning them, you just avoid them. I respect that and appreciate that type of sentiment. If you dont like em you dont like em and thats cool. But Banning them is rediculous.

GreenDelta- Nobody has any right to enter my yard without permission. It is fenced and locked for a reason. BUT I dont leave my dogs run free in my yard if I am not home. They are locked in their Kennels or in the house. If I am home nobody should come into my yard without my permission. Secondly I live in a rural area meaning there is no reason even in an emergency for anybody to enter the area where the dogs are kept. There are no breakers, no water shutoffs nothin in the fenced area of my yard. they are all in the ditch that runs along the front of my yard and on the telephone pole and side of my garage that are outside the fence.

Secondly- what makes you think my dogs would attack anybody? They are guard dogs but that doesnt mean they would attack you if you came in, you would probably just be surrounded by barking dogs. they are trained to bark at people not to attack people. And I only allow 2 maybe 3 dogs out at a time.

Here is a drawing of the basic setup of my property, not to scale obviously.
Now tell me why anybody would come into my yard? The power box is on the side of the garage that is outside the fence the water shutoff is in a ditch below my driveway. The nearest house to mine is almost half a kilometer away. if there was a fire chances are all the dogs would be hiding in the kennel building as opposed to trying to attack the firemen.

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I know I said the same thing on another thread but I think that ban is hideous. The idea that someone could come into my home and seize my dog makes me sick. Granted, I could throw my dog at someone and do more damage than he could do on his own so it hasn't been an issue so far, but it's the whole idea. I'm not a pit bull fan (no offence) but there has to be a better solution.
 
I caught someone walking on my property, right outside the fenced in area of my yard. The person was pretty shady looking, and I was home alone. I let my dogs out into the yard (of course I got them very worked up first ;) ) and sent them charging the back fence. They can't get out or jump it, but I was certainly glad to see the person startled to see my very large boxer and border collie (and JRT, but shes too little) running in their direction. The person took off and I never did find out who they were. Just a story about why no one should be on my property without my permission :D
 
Holly9937 said:
I caught someone walking on my property, ... The person was pretty shady looking, ... I let my dogs out into the yard (of course I got them very worked up first ;) ) and sent them charging the back fence. ...
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I totally agree with this situation. After all, "junyard dogs" protect some businesses too!

On the other side of the ongoing situation about Pit Bulls killing people, and maulings; perhaps certain 'counties' or 'Homeowners Assoc.' should prohibit these animals. This is a case by case issue and those that want a "no Pit Bull area" should have that right. I have yet to get my concealed weapons permit, but I would never want to face one of these dogs with my bare hands if the pit had "a bad hair day"! (..kidding aside, this is a serious issue..)

Sorry... These dogs are not your average beagle, and have incredible power in their jaws... I doubt a bull mastiff has more crushing, and holding power.
 
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PumaWard said:
On numerous occassions, daschunds, pomeranians, and JRTs have killed babies... .....
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Please understand me -- no offense directed...

Pit Bulls are not on the same level.

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Guppies, compared to Oscars or Jack Dempseys...
Neon Tetras, as to Convicts...

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"...daschunds, pomeranians, and JRTs have killed babies..."

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Pitbulls do not have locking jaws. A quick search on google would disprove it. Their jaws are, when you look at their anatomy, the same as any other breed.

On this topic Dr. 1. Lehr Brisbin of the University of Georgia wrote:
"The few studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of pit bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different than that of any breed of dog. There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of any kind of "locking mechanism" unique to the structure of the jaw and/or teeth of the American Pit Bull Terrier."

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http://www.dogwatch.net/myths/lock_jaw.html

You're right joe, they aren't the same level. BUT, labradors, goldens, and standard poodles are, but yet no one seems bothered by the fact that attacks from these supposidly "safe" dogs have been on the rise.

Pits are not born vicious and unstable. They just happen to be the fad dog for thugs and other irresponsible owners currently, and probably outnumber any other breed, so you can see why, once again, they are the "breed" most likely to bite... and when you look at bite statistics, keep in mind that the bites collected are those of the entire group. If you lumped all retrievers together, they very well could rise to the top. Finally, misidentification is another problem. Take this test and see if you can correctly identify an APBT on your first try : http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

Also, it isn't just people who own pits who are against the bans. The Humane Society of the United States, the AKC, and I believe the SPCA are all against the ban. BSL is a scarey thing, it could easily be directed to another breed... your beloved german shepherd (you is general) or siberian husky. Not to mention A.) Irresponsible owners will not follow the ban B.) If the ban is strictly enforced, another breed will be chosen.

They used to want to outlaw GSDs and dobes, can you imagine no GSDs or Dobes now?

I respect many of your opinions not to trust certain breeds. BUT, I ask you not to trust any breed if you feel that way, because no breed is a "safe" breed.
 
puma, you are most certainly right about the whole lab, golden retriever thing. I think it's been said already on this thread that dogs should never be completely trusted, especially alone with a child. That's not being mean, that's responsible. And of course we all know you should never buy a dog from a pet store or irresponsible breeder. you'll end up with a dog that bites or won't housebreak, etc. because of bad breeding. I think the biggest thing as far a the pit bulls go for most people is just the sheer brute strength that they tend to possess. I mean look at those jaws and muscles. However, you're right, a great dane or a golden could still certainly do some damage. I think that we all agree that ultimately there are too many people out there that are not responsible breeders or pet owners.
 
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