Pit Bull bans...WTF?

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I don't know how to comment on the whole bar thing. If they guy had been fighting all night why weren't the police called? Not the point I guess. Anyway- again- I think it was wrong that your friend was fined, and wrong that his dog was euthanized. But I wasn't there- how am I to know if he bit once shook once? I believe you that it probably was a fluke. But you have to admit- 99% of interdog scuffles in a park do not result in death. I really don't think that a dog that reacts that quickly and forcefully to an unexpected stimulus had any business in a park. Of course again- I don't mean that this applies to all pits.
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Well there were witnesses that all were willing to testify in court that the Pit Bull reacted in a completely just way. The Pit actaully had more physical damage from the other dog. I mean I wasnt there to witness it for myself but from talking with my friend and a few witnesses they said the collie came from the side and attacked, with no reason, it was just outta the blue. The pit didnt even see it comeing and the dog kinda jumped on top of the pitty. the pitty had to kinda shake him off of him and turned and grabbed it once and well you know the rest.
I would react the same way. if somebody came up and blind sided me I aint gonna turn around and be like "hey man what are you doin? lets talk about this." I am gonna turn around and knock him out and ask questions later.

Oh and about the bar thing it actually happend outside. The guy was kicked out of the bar and hung out in the parking lot and the other guy(steve) came out of the bar to go home and the guy started freaking out and decided he wanted to fight Steve. They hadnt even seen echother until that point, it wasnt like they fought earlier in the night either, the guy just picked Steve out of the crowd and came at him.
 
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I agree with this statement found on this site http://www.dogexpert.com/Popular Press/Pitbullfriend.html

"Unfortunately the pit bull, when it attacks, doesn't merely bite man -- or, most horribly, child -- it clamps its powerful jaws down and literally tears its victim apart. ''The injuries these dogs inflict are more serious than other breeds because they go for the deep musculature and don't release; they hold and shake,'' says Sheryl Blair of the Tufts Veterinary School, in North Grafton, Mass., which last year held a symposium entitled Animal Agression: Dog Bites and the Pit Bull Terrier. ''Most breeds do not multiple-bite,'' says Kurt Lapham, a field investigator for the West Coast Regional office of the Humane Society. ''A pit bull attack is like a shark attack: He keeps coming back.'' ''A pit bull,'' says Judge Victor E. Bianchini of San Diego, '' is the closest thing to a wild animal there is in a domesticated dog"

So let me ask a question. If pitbulls ARE fine, how come nobody is trying to ban beagles...or german sheppards or collies or huskies or dobermans? Why are we picking on pitbulls? Did everyone just decide one day "oh look, there is a funny looking dog.. lets ban it". No, there have been attacks and they have been violent and so states are banning them. I dont know ONE person - even a dog owner who is comfortable when a pitbull is around. Not one. My friend has a Rottweiler (spelling?) and it seemingly got attacked for no reason in a park when an owner could not control their animal and it ripped out of their hand and charged the dog. The Dog had to have medical attention for some wounds - not sure what happened to the pit, but maybe it was injured as well but my friend said he always takes his dog there and there are many that run free even but non attack. This one did. Unprovoked...

In my opinion, a pitbull is like a loaded gun. Not every gun will go off but accidents will happen and thus, I believe guns need to be banned except for police and military. If pitbulls want to be used as police dogs, then fine - under some supervision of people who can handle them or take them down if for some reason it doesn not want to respond or listen to its owner.
 
Think of it this way, if fish could be taken for a walk on a leash out of the water, I would equate a Black Piranha to a pitbull. I would want those piranha banned as well.
 
That sounds like just a lose- lose labont I'm sorry. I hate "free spirits" who just let their dogs roam free in public. probably my #1 pet related pet peeve actually. I was just a bit prejudiced in this situation because not that long ago at my apartment complex I came around a blind corner with my dog and there just happened to be some moron kid with a pit. The pit IMMEDIATELY- I mean no hesitation at all came after my dog. He didn't even have time to bark at her (He did when she charged, he's a brave boy to try and protect me but not a bright boy). Luckily he's small, I yanked him up into the air before she reached him and her owner tackled her. He dropped the leash twice more before they were out of view. I guess that is the reaction I had in mind when you described this scenario- I've seen more than one pit do it too- just react like that.
 
personally, I dont even think we would be having this conversation if pitts werent the focus of the media. It is plain to see that television news is focused on negative events such as crime, death, and disasters. And in my neck of the woods, you will not see a dogbite televised unless it came from a pitbull. It then becomes hard for the public to view pitts as anything but a K9 timebomb, ready to blow. It took my mom almost a year to truly trust Sir Cainabus (Cain), but after having a conversation with her recently, she thinks his temperment is a fluke. She said if other dogs were biting people, she would have heard about it. I dont know how she could know, unless she knew the person directly. Like I said, only pitbull bites make the news here.
 
svtcontour said:
Think of it this way, if fish could be taken for a walk on a leash out of the water, I would equate a Black Piranha to a pitbull. I would want those piranha banned as well.
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um, thats a little extreme, black pirahnas even eat the ornaments in a tank.
 
svtcontour said:
Why are we picking on pitbulls? Did everyone just decide one day "oh look, there is a funny looking dog.. lets ban it". No, there have been attacks and they have been violent and so states are banning them
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Pitbulls are being singled out b/c, for various reasons, they have become the dog of choice to be TRAINED to become vicious. It could have happened to any of your larger breed dogs, but lets face it, a drug dealer just wouldn't really think he was tough if he walked around with a vicious golden retriever!! No matter how "mean" that dog was.

svtcontour said:
I dont know ONE person - even a dog owner who is comfortable when a pitbull is around.
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Well, many of the people in this thread, but I guess you haven't met them in person :laugh:

***My biggest problem with the whole ban is that in the Denver situation (I wish I could find the whole article now) they are reserving the right to seize animals that just vaguely resemble pit bulls, or any such breed. There are alot of dogs that might not have an ounce of the breed in them and will still be seized because they resemble a pit. Very unfair :rant:
 
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This site claims that german sheppards and chows are more likely to bite but pitbulls and similar dogs account for more of the human deaths in the total of dog attacks http://petplace.netscape.com/articles/artShow.asp?artID=2553

This shows that they are more violent when they snap. Instead of stopping like any other animal (animals either fight to drive away someone or to defend themselves). Pitbulls seem to lock on and continue their attack. This has been reported in so many articles and by so many people.
 
flyfly-I understand what you are saying- but wouldn't you agree that it is the nature of the bites that make them infamous when they happen? I know that statistically labs and cockers and dalmatians are biters but the difference is that they don't maul. Yeah, any animal can display aggression- but it's the way they display that aggression that matters here. That's why I think it takes careful owners to handle these dogs- denying that they are an aggressive breed is a little silly- because they are. It's like saying Rotts are not dominant- they are. But as you guys have pointed out your dogs have a lot of great qualities too- so obviously the difference is an owner who treats and trains that animal with the proper respect and understands its behavior.
edit- actually I would probably way sooner trust a pit bull than a chow.
 
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One last piece of my mind before I get off this thread.

To the people that are affraid of their friends or families pitbulls, I think that says a bit about your friends and family.

god bless ya and goodnight
 
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