Pit Bull bans...WTF?

[labont865]

Labont865. We're talking about dogs and you're talking about cougars and bears... and let me put it this way. IF COUGARS AND BEARS COULD BE KEPT AS PETS AND WALKED ON THE STREET, I'D WANT THEM BANNED AS WELL. Does that make it clear how I feel Since you brought up the situation..rediculous situation might I add.

How much more clear does it have to be. Pitbulls have been bred by people as fighting dogs. On purpose, they have been bred to be aggressive, not give up (because they are fighting dogs) and to have a higher threshold of pain so they can continue their fighting. This means that IF and WHEN something triggers them to fight, they are more likely to cause damage because they are more likely to continue. Seems very basic to me.

Again your lack of knowledge of the species and lack of ability to read what we have written is staggering. Pit Bulls were bred as working dogs and farm tools and later bad breeder and owners began to breed them to be aggressive towards other dogs NOT humans. Is this so hard to understand?
Your right it is rediculous situation but its no more rediculous than how blinded your are about the topic we are discussing and you lack of simple common sence and reasoning on the matter. Banning is not the way to go plain and simple. We simply need licensing laws to prevent poor breeding and bad owners from getting hteir hand on any animal that has this sort of ability.

 

[ash]

Lots of breeds were bred as fighting dogs. That's not the real problem here.

 

[labont865]

Lots of breeds were bred as fighting dogs. That's not the real problem here.

Very true. Jack Russel Terriers and Bull dogs are two example of dogs that suffered the same fate as Pittys. They were designed for one thing and because of their aggressiveness and tenacity towards other animals they became good choices for fighting as-well.

 

[ash]

Really, at some point in history, about every breed you can find was used for something awful. Mastiffs now are usually known as family dogs but they were fought pretty widely. And they were used in warfare extensively in Europe and Asia. And as we all know, they cursed those poor Baskervilles. A breed's history is important- but it's certainly not the only defining quality.

 

[svtcontour]

Labont865. You are totally right. Pitbulls may have initially been bred for work but maybe you should read around more as well. This is the 2nd or third article that talks about them being bred soley for fighting. 4th paragraph down.

http://dogs.about.com/cs/breedprofiles/a/pitbull_history.htm

Also I see so many street thugs walking around with pitbulls. Looks like the % of uneducated people that buy pitbulls and similar aggressive dogs are much MUCH higher than any other dog. Aggressive dog for aggressive people I guess. Makes sense. Its not just pitbulls but rottweilers and the such that I see on the streets of down town toronto. Many what look like drug using tattoo'd skin heads and drug dealers often walking around with no shirt on hot days when the rest of civilized society walks around with more peacfull breeds, decide drugs are bad and walk around fully clothed and have steady jobs.

I'll take my camera on monday when I go to work and probably every day I'll take a picture of a different person with a different Pitt to fit the above description. Hope you dont mind me posting it here to show what i'm talking about.

 

[svtcontour]

I understand that many dogs can be dangerous and many dogs will fight and many were even used for fighting or war, but again, why is the media sticking to the pitbull. Its not to create a media buzz in my opinion. Its because the damage done by an attack is worse and warrants news. If I was attacked by a collie and needed 5 stickes on my leg, I dont think that would make the news but if I was attacked and needed 150 stickes to to keep me alive, then maybe that does warrant some news. IF there were many other vicious dog attacks, they would be shown because the news would benefit from sensationalism..to show ugly grusome things because a lot of people want to see that. It would boost their ratings, yet for some reason pittbulls and rottweilers are more common.

Maybe the fact that there may be some truth to what I said in the previous post about more thugs being seen with these dogs and maybe they are more irresponsbile and thus lose control of their dogs, but the truth is that when they do lose control, the dogs are more dangerous. Its like walking around with a .22 or a .45. Sure both guns may go off and hurt someone but one is more likely to kill.

 

[ash]

well, if you had actually read the thread with the intention of having a civil conversation, you would have noticed that we have discussed the thug problem already. You might not recognize it because no one put it in broad, sweeping stereotypes, but it has been discussed.

 

[labont865]

well, if you had actually read the thread with the intention of having a civil conversation, you would have noticed that we have discussed the thug problem already. You might not recognize it because no one put it in broad, sweeping stereotypes, but it has been discussed.

Thank you ash.

And SVT your right that article may say that but it isnt true. Pit Bulls were never bred solely for fighting. There were breeders that would only breed their dogs for fighting but never in history did every breeder breed their pits strictly for fighting. And these are the breeders whos bloodlines have been kept alive by responsible breeders and are used for work and show and as pets. Again as I said it is nothing to do with the responsible breeders and the dogs themselves it is a human caused problem. and there are good bloodlines and great dogs and owners out there that should not be made to suffer because of the irrisponsible owners and breeders.

And trust me there isnt much I havent read about the dogs I have had alot of time to read about them in the 5 or 6 years I have bred them.

 

[svtcontour]

I dont recall it being discussed. I recall someone else mentioning it and thats it. I also have found the same thing to be true - so what, now i cant voice what I see here because someone mentioned it briefly? I said I see it very often and its very common and was wondering why that is. I mean a serious question. Why would someone who is a thug go for a certain kind of dog? Its not just because it looks tough but because it IS tough.

Also there is nothing unciviclized about what I have said, I just am not the type of person to sugar coat things. I say whats on my mind and thats it. I have not used foul language or attacked anyone. If you wish, I can soften every thing I say from now on.

Actually I will leave this discussion because it is pretty much pointless. I will exit by saying that I'm glad the dogs are being banned but I'm not happy they are being put to sleep because its not the dogs fault for being here...its the breeders fault. I'm also glad to see that here in Toronto, Canada, things are being done as well.

http://www.city.toronto.on.ca/animal_services/pit_bull_ban.htm

 

[labont865]

I dont recall it being discussed. I recall someone else mentioning it and thats it. I also have found the same thing to be true - so what, now i cant voice what I see here because someone mentioned it briefly? I said I see it very often and its very common and was wondering why that is. I mean a serious question. Why would someone who is a thug go for a certain kind of dog? Its not just because it looks tough but because it IS tough.

Also there is nothing unciviclized about what I have said, I just am not the type of person to sugar coat things. I say whats on my mind and thats it. I have not used foul language or attacked anyone. If you wish, I can soften every thing I say from now on.

Actually I will leave this discussion because it is pretty much pointless. I will exit by saying that I'm glad the dogs are being banned but I'm not happy they are being put to sleep because its not the dogs fault for being here...its the breeders fault. I'm also glad to see that here in Toronto, Canada, things are being done as well.

http://www.city.toronto.on.ca/animal_services/pit_bull_ban.htm

The answer is simple. They are buying the dog for the stereotypes of them being vicious and mean and because people are scared of the breed. If somebody sees a pit in a yard they are alot less likely to come into it. which is what "tatooed drug dealer skin heads" as you put it probably want.