Pit Bull hater?? Watch this!

Labont, you are absolutely right, it is the owners, not the dogs. However, there is a problem and the only way to deal with it is to take away the breeds that attract irresponsible owners. What else will work? Everything else tried to this point has failed.
 
Matak said:
Labont, you are absolutely right, it is the owners, not the dogs. However, there is a problem and the only way to deal with it is to take away the breeds that attract irresponsible owners. What else will work? Everything else tried to this point has failed.


Banning will not help in any way at all. It will open up the underground trading of the dogs and will lead to more aggressive Pit Bulls out there. As in that if they are illegal how are you gonna socialize them?? There will be less Pit Bulls around but there will be more aggressive ones. Also if you read the stats in that video and lread what NFR-22467-A say Pit Bulls are not a troublesome breed liek people say they are, meaning there is no more reason to ban them than there is any other breed of dog. There are over 80 breeds of dog that are proven to bite more people than Pit Bulls, so they should ban all of them first or aswell as Pit Bulls. Pit Bulls take only 1.8 percent of all attacks. Yet Jack Russel Terrier and Labs each take more than 4% of the pie. Why arent they banned?? The only reason is the Pit Bulls ability to do more serious damage. But this is the way it is for many things, trucks do more damage than cars but they arent banned. Rifles do more damage than hand guns but they arent banned. WATER kills more people than anything else and it isnt banned! Tell me why we should single out Pit Bulls as such a dangerous thing?

The answer is to illegalize un-licensed breeding. Or even having to take a proper ownership course before you can buy a Pit Bull. Both of these solutions will and DO work just as well as banning them.
P.S. up here in Canada more hand guns are illegal than Rifles!
 
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NFR-22467-A said:
. i have seen dozens, if not hundreds, of pitbulls come in for treatments and placement into permenant homes, and pitbulls are among the nicest and happiest dog breeds there are.

I have read about people that do boxer rescue, I would imagine it applies to other breeds too. The dogs know their situation and treatment has improved and appreciate it. God bless the people who take in rescue animals and rehabilitate them!!
 
Well Labont, again I agree with you. We have both established that it isn't the dogs, but the owners. It is the negligent or aggressive raising of these animals (or in a few cases too much inbreeding) that causes the aggressive behaviour. This is a rule of thumb, not an absolute; see a dog with attitude and you will most likely see an owner with attitude. Dogs are loyal, faithful pack animals. The Alpha of the pack (the owner) leads the way.

The problem has to be eliminated at the source at some point. It is much more enforceable to ban the breeds outright than to try to register breeders. How would a by-law or police officer spot a dog that was illegally bred? How is an ownership course going to enforce good attitude? But, I have to concede, it will be difficult (if not impossisble) to determine just what breed some dogs are. When is a Rottie not a Rottie? Is a half Shepherd/ half Staffordshire still a Staffordshire? I can just see the Ontario chapter of the CKK being dragged into this as a ruling body. All of a sudden a volunteer dog show judge is now a paid government employee.

There is no 2nd amendment concerning the right to bear dogs here in Canada. But until then...
 
Wow, that was one heck of a video. I was pretty p-o'd with some of those images.

I was surprised to see Labs were more of a biting risk than pit bulls. The only one's I've been around, which is very few, were lovable and cuddly. A friend of mine owned two that were really sweet and friendly. Her neighbors complained to the association about them and in turn, tried to make a rule against having them. The dogs never did anything, and they were always on a lead/leash when outside. My friend eventually got rid of one of them, then moved shortly after. I was sad to see her give up one of her dogs.

Thanks for the video, Labont.

;)

Lila
 
Matak said:
The problem has to be eliminated at the source at some point. It is much more enforceable to ban the breeds outright than to try to register breeders. How would a by-law or police officer spot a dog that was illegally bred? How is an ownership course going to enforce good attitude? But, I have to concede, it will be difficult (if not impossisble) to determine just what breed some dogs are. When is a Rottie not a Rottie? Is a half Shepherd/ half Staffordshire still a Staffordshire? I can just see the Ontario chapter of the CKK being dragged into this as a ruling body. All of a sudden a volunteer dog show judge is now a paid government employee.

There is no 2nd amendment concerning the right to bear dogs here in Canada. But until then...



It is quite simple for somebody to enforce licensing laws. If you see a Pit Bull or a possible Pit Bull cross, you check its tags. If the tags arent on the dog or the dog is not registered or you havent taken the course than the dog is taken from the owner until whichever of those stipulations needed are met.

The ownership course will work wonder as it will be spread over a 1-2 month period. Where the future Pitty owner goes 2 nights a week for 2 hours. Over this time I am sure the "Teacher" would get a pretty good idea of the owners attitude. If they dont pass both the attitude test and the knowledge test they dont get the license to own the dog! Simple as that.

You are however right that it would be easier and probably alot cheaper to just ban the breed but it is not right. Especially since it is proven that Pit Bulls are far from being the most dngerous dog out there. As I mentioned before, they account for only 1.8% of dog bites/attacks. Where as labs, JRTs, and Cocker Spaniels account for more than 3% EACH! The only reason people want to ban Pit Bulls is pure un-education and discrimination towards the breed. The only reason they have to do it is that Pit Bulls can do more damage than most other dogs IF they attack. So in their minds this is justification to ban them. Even though they are 3-4 times more likely to be attacked and seriously injured by their precious Golden Labrador or Jack Russel Terier.

You are also right about us not having the right to bear dogs. This is very true. BUT we have the right to protect our families. And any Dog owner knows that a dog will become just as much part of your family as your own child is. And I will do anything and I mean anything to protect my family whether it is my Wife, my kid, my brother, my cousin, my mother, and even my dog.

P.S. I had another much more detailed much longer post written instead of this one but when I tried to post it, it was deleted instead.
 
labont865 said:
P.S. I had another much more detailed much longer post written instead of this one but when I tried to post it, it was deleted instead.
I don't think there is enough space on the internet to post all the stuff that needs to be said on this topic;)
 
gonefishin said:
I don't think there is enough space on the internet to post all the stuff that needs to be said on this topic;)


HAHAHA Yeah I would have to agree. I could go on talking for hours about it, nevermind typing on here. If I typed everything I had to say about this subject I think we would break the record for the longest Forum topic.
 
Hey labont, is Pit Bull the real name for the breed? I had thought that the breed was actually American Staffordshire Terrier and that Pit Bull was just a name acquried because of the dog's more sinister use.
 
I think it's very important to note that the raising and care of ANY dog is very important. Pit bulls don't require more care than other dogs--there are just worse consequences if they fail to get the socialization they need. All dogs require lots of attention, training, and care. My dogs both know who the Alpha is, and will not push that line. Without socializing them in terms they understand, dogs will become problems.

Smaller dogs, IMO, are more likely to become an aggressive problem because they are not socialized as dogs. With a 75+ pound dog, most people are aware of the potential and take more time to train the dog. A 3 lb dog--well, people laugh about them, and treat them differently, so they aren't trained properly.
 
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