Please help: Stop killing dogs in South-Korea

[jpappy789]

Ok I was just making sure people didn't rush to scream at a "westerner" trying to change the habits of a completely different culture...carry on I suppose...

edit: I still agree that its not something that should be petitioned...

 

[petluvr]

Let them eat dog if they wanna eat dog, I could care less what people eat. There are more important things in my life, as well as the world, than for me to care about what the next person is eating.

 

[red_wall]

Hi,

Wait a moment here, this petition is started by a South korean organisation. And how it will effect policy is explaind on the web site.

Also if we kill cows chickens etc we don't torture them first because the meat would "tast better".

But ok, it is up to you if you sign or not, just want to make you aware that this is petiton is not started from outside of korea but from inside korea itself. And they ask the whole world to speak.

Well, before I noticed the posters location, I had an amazing argument about the US, but still, the argument makes a stand on any continent.

To get workers at a slaughterhouse, you have to find someone screwed up enough to kill things all day, don't know about you, but that isn't the thing that I like to do with 50% of my day. When you find someone screwed up enough to do it, most of the time, they LIKE killing animals all day. That coupled with the fact that heads of the companies don't care how the animals are killed, as long as they get their meat in the end, means animal cruelty.

Other people who don't like their job begin to take their anger out on the animals. Or they stop caring what happens to them.

Search on youtube for any slaughter house videos.
Some I couldn't even finish.
I watched one that goes through the whole slaughter process for cows. They get herded into a chamber, get hit really, REALLY hard in the forehead to where they're dazed, fall down into a holding pin, a worker clamps a chain to it's leg and it get's lifted into the air upsidedown. Worker takes a long knife, cuts into it's heart and lets it bleed to death. Worker then begins to rip off cows face for fun (or maybe it's required, but the cows still alive when he does it).

Or maybe the freaking foie gras (duck liver) plants. Taking ducks and overfeeding them to death to get a bacterial infection in the liver that makes the liver fatter and plumper. In the video the worker clearly enjoyed killing ducks (kicking to death, back breaking, one point in the video he rips a duck's head off with his bare hands). The plant had trashcans full of dead baby, and adult ducks.

I can go on and on about these videos I've seen.


Horrible stuff in the meat industry.
It needs to be made a bit more humane with more strictly enforced regulations. But dang, show me a petition that has a main focus of improving animal slaughterhouse conditions overall, then I will put my electronic signature to that one.

 

[petluvr]

I don't think people have to be screwed up as you put it to work in these industries, they need to feed their families the same as anyone else. I looked at the petition and it says that raising dogs for food should be made illegal. To the op, what happens if it is made illegal to the people living outside the cities that depend on dog for their only source of protein?

 

[Cheech]

Well, before I noticed the posters location, I had an amazing argument about the US, but still, the argument makes a stand on any continent.

To get workers at a slaughterhouse, you have to find someone screwed up enough to kill things all day, don't know about you, but that isn't the thing that I like to do with 50% of my day. When you find someone screwed up enough to do it, most of the time, they LIKE killing animals all day. That coupled with the fact that heads of the companies don't care how the animals are killed, as long as they get their meat in the end, means animal cruelty.

Other people who don't like their job begin to take their anger out on the animals. Or they stop caring what happens to them.

Search on youtube for any slaughter house videos.
Some I couldn't even finish.
I watched one that goes through the whole slaughter process for cows. They get herded into a chamber, get hit really, REALLY hard in the forehead to where they're dazed, fall down into a holding pin, a worker clamps a chain to it's leg and it get's lifted into the air upsidedown. Worker takes a long knife, cuts into it's heart and lets it bleed to death. Worker then begins to rip off cows face for fun (or maybe it's required, but the cows still alive when he does it).

Or maybe the freaking foie gras (duck liver) plants. Taking ducks and overfeeding them to death to get a bacterial infection in the liver that makes the liver fatter and plumper. In the video the worker clearly enjoyed killing ducks (kicking to death, back breaking, one point in the video he rips a duck's head off with his bare hands). The plant had trashcans full of dead baby, and adult ducks.

I can go on and on about these videos I've seen.


Horrible stuff in the meat industry.
It needs to be made a bit more humane with more strictly enforced regulations. But dang, show me a petition that has a main focus of improving animal slaughterhouse conditions overall, then I will put my electronic signature to that one.

you're putting too much feelings into this. Basically, not all people who work at slaughter houses are "screwed up". you're saying they are because they have no mercy when killing animals. Thing is, it's very easy to become desensitised when working in such places.

When I was a kid my uncle asked me to chop some chicken heads cause we'd be having them for supper. I couldn't bring myself to do it, seeing those cute little chickens running around the farm... But that's me, a city kid who's not used to this kind of stuff. My uncle didn't look at chickens like a living cute animal. he saw it stricly as food. So there was absolutely no moral or ethical thoughts running around as he sliced the head off the chicken. He needed food, the chicken's there for food, so he killed it and ate it.

Same thing with these guys... They have a job, one where dogs and cats are considered food, and they do what they have to do to live. I doubt they feel bad about killing what they killed. I also doubt they're in any way more or less screwed up than anyone else doing regular jobs are. They were part of the production process of getting the food ready to eat.

As for the slaughter houses... Again, it personally affects us, who aren't used to it, I can bet you that watching any animal die wouldn't be an easy site for us to look at... But someone's gotta do it, and again, they don't tie moral and ethical values when it comes to food preperation.

nowadays it seems like people care more about animals than they do their fellow human beings. People die every day, no one says a word, but god forbid a cat's head is stuck in a tree trunk and the firestation is called to get it out, it'll make headline news.


It's kinda sad.

And I won't be signing the petition either. people first, animals second.. Within reason of course.

 

[Wycco]

I think it is horrible how we try to force our beliefs, our customs, etc on other people.

Yes, the thought of eating dog sickens me- but had I been brought up elsewhere it probably wouldn't. It's nice to see some South Koreans also object to the practice- but really- it isn't much different than eating various other animals. Biggest difference is dogs have much more intelligence than most of our "prey-food"... big exception being pigs who are every bit as intelligent as dogs.



Might I remind everyone though that:

"Also if we kill cows chickens etc we don't torture them first because the meat would "tast better"."

We do torture our chickens- we keep them in tiny cages where they can't move.

We also breed cows to be huge milk producers that they are in intense pain before giving milk from extra-full udders. (ask a breast feeding woman how if feels to be full of milk and not have any relief... now imagine if that woman were bred to have 10 times her natural milk production).



Our own culture is far from perfect. I'm not a vegitarian or a PETA sympathiser before anyone pegs those labels on me. I eat meat, milk, and eggs- but I do wish they were kept in better conditions- and do buy free-range eggs only.

 

[snoopy65]

We don't eat any meat we don't kill...if we can help it.

 

[psyche]

I find it odd for anyone who eats the meat to demonise slaughter plant workers. You either think killing animals is natural and okay if done in the approved way--or you don't and become vegetarian.

 

[sumthin fishy]

there was a member here I havent seen in a while who was in chat talking about dog soup. It was part of a religious tradition or something. It was actually interesting. Id try it. Animals are food plain and simple. If I was hungry and all there was to eat was dog or cat or horse or heaven forbid a fish, I would eat it. I dont really care for the way animals are treated before death, but they are still FOOD. However, I have a freind who is/was a butcher, says you cannot allow a cow to know anything is wrong before you kill it, lest it release a fear hormone and spoil the meat.


As for religious beliefs and cloven hooves

In Judaism, Kashrut (kosher) is the set of dietary laws governing what may or may not be consumed. These laws are based upon the Torah and the Talmud. According to Jewish law, animals that both chew their cud (ruminate) and have cloven hooves are kosher[8]. Animals with one characteristic but not the other (the camel, the hyrax and the hare because they have no cloven hooves, and the pig because it does not ruminate) are specifically excluded[9]"

Chapter 4
1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Funny thing is Muslums Fall back on the belief of not eating pork (without sparking a religious debate, all 3 religions worship the same god, the jewish bible being the christian old testament, and the chritsian old and new testament being the Old testament to the Koran)

Though I dont find anything in the bible forbiding the consumption of dog.

 

[Star_Rider]

Underwaterdiver,

I:clap: you for trying to make a change. your heart is in the right place.

Good luck with this.
you're going to need it.