Proper Fluval 404 tray filling-Nitrate issue!!

Oriongirl, I don't think there is enough room for a prefilter. What would you recommend in this case, regular floss? This is on a HOB model. Are you saying I need the nitries and ammonia? I've always been told that they are bad. Now I'm really confused. lol
 
Sorry, didn't mean to confuse. No, you don't want nitrites and ammonia to be detectable. However, the more ammonia that breaks down to nitrites, the more nitrites that break down to nitrates. It's a matter of scale--the more waste that goes into the system, the more that comes out. So, the more waste there is from fish, the bigger the bacteria colonies become, and the most waste (ie, nitrates) the bacteria generate. This means if your reduce the waste available to the bacteria, they in turn will produce less nitrates. Removing the solid wastes before they break down is the handiest way to do this, other than removing the source, ie, the fish.

The prefilter will trap the solids where you can easily remove them. Just put a sponge on the intake to the filter--I use AC 22 sponge blocks, with a hole cut in one end. I do agree that the UGF maybe causing a problem--I've found that UGF will break large, easily removed solids into tiny, hard-to-remove pieces. When I quit using my UGF, all the sudden I noticed huge clumps of solid waste from my plecos.
 
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I really only seemed to be getting the larger waste particales lately, since i quit feeding goldfish so much. The golffish were always eating at it and were breaking it down. In my previous experience, and it's not with monsters like these, the UGF would pick the very bottom fine waste and put it back in the water for the canister and HOB filters could get the particales out. Am I better pulling the UGF and some of the gravel, so it's easier to clean the gravel? I hate to get rid of the UGF, it works graet in my 10 gallon. I use zeonite cartriges and without em the water goes south quick. I haven't tried using them on the 150 gallon, because I can use zeonite in the fluval. I'm getting a headache. lol
 
Okay, I just took the 404 apart. I've never seen the filter this dirty, and I've never took this filter apart in 72 hours like I'm doing now. This is the worst I've ever seen it. Every bag in the filter is clogged with fine waste particals, or so it seems. Should I put some floss in the bottom tray to help catch some of this stuff. I am putting it back together at 7:30 cst. Any help with the proper tray sequence would be well appreciated. I plan to put 4 nirta-Zorb packs in so only 2 trays will be open. Thought floss in the bottom, carbon in tray 2 and nitra-zorb in the top 2. Any thoughts?
 
All of the problems with UG are from improper maintenance and from excessive flow. Properly maintained UGs are good filters, poorly set or incorrectly maintained, they are time bombs. As yours are air-driven they are not overpowered. If you have no significant build-up of debris under the plates, you are fine on your maintenance, so I see no issue with the UG.
 
OK... I would agree about removing the UGF... I just removed one of 4 plates on my 120Gal and was terrified by the sludge that I found under it... just posted about this in fact. It seemed that all was well and the tank looked clean, but I had high nitrates, so I suspected the UGF. I am pretty sure I need to remove them slowly one at a time over a few weeks to cause the least amount of trauma to the fish. Asking for addtional thoughts in my other post.
I just checked the Hagen website and it lists in the manual for the 404, that waterflow if from the bottom tray up to the top. So the cotton floss would go on the bottom, carbon/nitrazorb next, bio rocks on top. Basically the exact opposite of the way you have been running it. That way the floss will catch all the big particles and the other layers should stay cleaner longer. This can help keep the bio blocks pores from clogging and keep the heathly bacteria happier.
 
Okay, if i decide to remove it, what depth should the rocks be? I was told 1 to 1 1/2 inches. I can see under the tank and there is not that much build up down there.
 
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