yeah... I'm staying away. I read where they are supposed to be a bit milder, as mbuna's go... but obviously, if that is true, it may not be mild enough... and I love my altos... SO... I will focus back on replenishing my gold occies... soon as I can find them. I do not want to have to pay for shipping overnight for them again, but it is beginning to look like I will have little choice... no one in my area seems to have them.