Some Fish Best Left Alone

this all being said i say that certain fish have no logical reason as to why they are for sale to joe public cause honestly its expensive to do killer tanks and not many people can drop thousands for big tanks or is crazy enough to make the commitment to do a monster tank

so personally i would put my name behind a ban on certain species but since i have gotten these little surprises with used tanks im gonna do the best i can

Should nearly every car on the road be banned because it can FAR exceed the speed limit, something totally unnecessary for the average joe?
 
I've never said they shouldn't sell these fish. I do think they have a responsibility to make prospective customers aware of their requirements.
 
Should nearly every car on the road be banned because it can FAR exceed the speed limit, something totally unnecessary for the average joe?

I think the difference is that a car can exceed the speed limit; a Pacu, on the other hand will grow very large.
 
The issue of going fast itself is not the problem. You can go 100mph and not be exceeding the speed limit if, say, you're on a racetrack. Your pacu could live a fine life in captivity, but not in a 29g tank.

The issue isn't the speed or the size, but rather whether or not they are UNIVERSALLY excessive.
 
I've never said they shouldn't sell these fish. I do think they have a responsibility to make prospective customers aware of their requirements.

I just have a problem with this way of thinking. By this line, you could never responsibly sell something that you didn't know EVERYTHING about, because you might be selling it under less than ideal circumstances. That sort of thinking would exclude untold numbers of products from shelves, and large outlets would essentially not be able to exist.
 
Should nearly every car on the road be banned because it can FAR exceed the speed limit, something totally unnecessary for the average joe?

cars will not die from being parked in a shed that has barely enough clearance to turn around in

to compare monster fish to cars is apples to oranges

to have a fish forced to live in a environment that is beneath bare minimum is just wrong

as well fish are living and cars are not
 
But the problem with the other line of thinking is that it logically leads to selling handguns to six year olds. There has to be a middle way; there are some things which are known to have issues - large fish, hunting knives, firearms, gelignite, and, indeed, fast cars, which does throw a certain onus on the seller to make some effort to prevent a grossly unsuitable sale. The vast majority of items, no. In fish terms, someone wants a guppy, sell them a guppy. Someone wants a baby hammerhead shark, you make them aware that they will ultimately need a converted swimming pool for it.
 
cars will not die from being parked in a shed that has barely enough clearance to turn around in

to compare monster fish to cars is apples to oranges

to have a fish forced to live in a environment that is beneath bare minimum is just wrong

as well fish are living and cars are not

What? Cars won't die, because they're not alive, but driven to their capacity they can and DO kill(facilitate death, if you will). I didn't bring that up for the sake of the cars, lol. How many HUMANS have been killed by their giant pacu mistake? A far more compelling argument to the general public, you'll find.

Unless people start getting hurt because the fish they bought grew too big, you won't see any reasonable person accepting that selling someone the wrong fish is the same as selling a 6-year-old a handgun. If you want to be taken seriously, don't say things like that.
 
The problem with placing this responsibility with the retailers lies in the fact that people become complacent. They don this sort-of puffy feel-good cloak that they think protects them from anything bad. "Are you sure that fish is ok to bring home?" "Of course! The guy at the store wouldn't have let me do it if it was a bad idea!"

That's the line of thinking that lands people in trouble most of the time in these situations, and that's why no matter what regulations are in place it needs to be completely abandoned.

The idea of a ban, or any kind of licensing or regulation, is just a pipe-dream. It's too expensive and not important enough. Nobody is dying over this. Heck, as far as I know nobody is even getting injured over this, not even so much as a band-aid(ok, maybe band-aids for certain toothy-mouthed fish). It's just not going to happen the way people seem to want it to, so we MUST take the responsibility unto ourselves. Otherwise, we deal with the consequences, we've all made mistakes before, we know how that is.
 
Unless people start getting hurt because the fish they bought grew too big, you won't see any reasonable person accepting that selling someone the wrong fish is the same as selling a 6-year-old a handgun. If you want to be taken seriously, don't say things like that.

ive spoken my bit about this subject but ill say one thing more

any car can exceed the speed limit but not every fish can outgrow a 55g tank enough said :duh: :rofl: no disrepect intended just humour

if i want to be taken seriously in the area of fish keeping ill just open my photobucket account an give pictures or ill just bring the person to my restaurant, my basement fish room or in the near an far future any number of the aquaria related things i will be doing
 
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