Students Kept Under Surveillance
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I agree 100% that this would be a violation of privacy and in most cases I'm dead opposed to GPS tracking of people. The exceptions would be criminals and people who work with sensitive material, whether information or compounds. In those cases the individual has made their choice and it's society's/employer's right or responsibility to track them.Hot Lila said:
However, that is not the issue under debate. The school isn't trying to find out what they do after school or before school, they're just keeping track of them while on campus. Actually, where I went to school that could have been useful as French and English sides all too often seemed to get into fights. Not to mention taking fights off campus to seem more legitimate.
Harlock, I've heard that exact same story from friends who are teachers, my parents, both of whom are teachers (my father is now a principal), and their friends. In a very similar situation a parent came storming into the classroom one of my parents' closest friends and demanded an explanation for why their child failed and why could she not be lenient. She simply replied "she didn't do any of the work, if I had something, anything, to grade more leniently it would be possible, but I can't give your child a grade on nothing". Surprisingly this took more than a few seconds and instead of the parent being a) perplexed and b) angry with child and a promise of change, it ended with the parent yelling at the teacher with a promise to bring their complaint to the principle and school board if necessary. Oooops, my dad was the principle at the time, my dad took a little flak for it, but in the end the parent ended up looking like a fool.
yup, we all had a lot of 's going on by the end of that little incident. It doesn't happen often enough to suit me, but I love it when fools get their comeuppance. (I also love that word 
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Yeah, I dig, I just wanted to let you know that I agreed with you on the GPS tracking thing, I don't think that I comented on it earlier.
I'd be curious as to the reference on the tracking of employees outside of work. I mean, maybe in the military where you sign your civil liberties away when you join up... but regular Joe working forsome business? Besides, you can't monitor if regular Joe is even wearing his badge when he gets home. What's to stop him from putting it on the dog's collar and going bar-hopping?
I'll vouch--they don't put GPS in the Air Force boys. They discussed a variety of trackers that could be worn (ie, dog tags) to make locating people in war zones easier, but, short of a few few 'on-call' times, once myhusband comes home, the military doesn't know and seldom cares where he is or what he's doing.
I'd be interested in seeing the company that is requiring employees to be tagged as all times--certainly not a situation where they'd have a leg to stand on in court.
For students: They are in school to learn to be a good adult, right? Well, that's one good lesson--life isn't fair, and you can be held accountable for not being in the correct place at the correct time. Personally, I think cameras provide additional information that could supplement this--ie, this shows what tag is in a hallway--but it doesn't show you who is there without a tag...Or who is holding a particular tag as any given moment.
I'd be interested in seeing the company that is requiring employees to be tagged as all times--certainly not a situation where they'd have a leg to stand on in court.
For students: They are in school to learn to be a good adult, right? Well, that's one good lesson--life isn't fair, and you can be held accountable for not being in the correct place at the correct time. Personally, I think cameras provide additional information that could supplement this--ie, this shows what tag is in a hallway--but it doesn't show you who is there without a tag...Or who is holding a particular tag as any given moment.
happychem said:
To understand the 'big picture', it certainly becomes a "privacy issue."
Who is the one to say this will never be used on the general population in the near future?
Call me "off topic", but I don't think school age kids need to be experimented on with this new way of "tracking." I will never agree with it...
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" Logan's Run as a Critique of Society: Sex, Power, Illusion
At the most obvious level, Logan's Run is a warning about the dangers that now face humanity in an age of high-technology and extravagance. It takes the world we live in, with its automation, malls, and self-indulgent lifestyles, and exaggerates it to create an image of a future none of us would want to live in.
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If interested, please read on..
Link: http://www.transparencynow.com/Logan/logan2.htm
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HHMMM, interesting! I am ALL FOR IT! I'd be the first parent in line to get my kids their own little badges... If my kids are where they're supposed to be, and doing what they're supposed to be doing, it's not an issue at all...
While they're at it, I think any person who's ever been convicted of a violent crime also needs their own little personal, PERMANENT GPS implant... Once a person violently infringes on another persons life and/or property, in my book, they lose their own right to privacy....
While they're at it, I think any person who's ever been convicted of a violent crime also needs their own little personal, PERMANENT GPS implant... Once a person violently infringes on another persons life and/or property, in my book, they lose their own right to privacy....
Karnaaj said:
Just to clarify...it's not the schools that say this. That is a whole other thread that would probably not be a good road to go down...but it is not the schools.
