The only stupid question...

AnniesNotOK

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Jul 27, 2009
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Please bear in mind I am new to fishkeeping.

About 3 months ago I bought a 55 gallon from a friend, who lost a colony of 25 cichlids to Ich.

Also lost were 2 catfish, don't know what type, but he said they were compatible with African cichlids. *insert your guess here*

The tank included all the goodies, stand, heater, two filters (an Emporer 400 and a Penguin 350), lots of lava rock (some really nice pieces, with holes), and lots of fake plants.

The rocks were removed and we drained the tank. Upon arriving home I put the tank in the basement, where it sat unattended for 5 days. The lava rock was left in the backyard.

On the 5th day, I rejoiced. My first tank. And it's a big one. I had been reading about fishless cycling. I jumped in the car and two hardware stores later I had 99% Ammonia. A quick jaunt to my local Big Al's Fish Emporium for a liquid test kit, And I was ready to go.

First off, I thoroughly clean both filters. I replace the bio wheels with new ones (another noob mistake I later find out) and new carbon.

As I began to fill the tank, I quickly realized I would probably have to fill it and empty it again several times. After adding the first 5 gallon bucket the water literally turned black. It seems my friend was a little lax when it came to cleaning the gravel, which there was plenty of.

Imagine my suprise when on my 3rd drain and fill of the tank, I spot a catfish dart from a darkened corner of the tank. I look again to make sure my tired eyes don't decieve me. He's hard to spot, but sure enough I see him again. For 5 days he has lived in not enough water to fill a thimble. We had drained the tank as best we could, but admitedly the gravel, of which there was at least 3-4 inches of, was quite soggy. I did not see any pools of water.

I quickly fill the tank and turn on both filters. The catfish disappears into a large skull decoration in the tank, and in about 45 minutes the water in the tank in quite clear. I stare at the particulate being drawn into the filters like a day dreaming idiot, the same way one might stare into a campfire.

I drop cichlid food my friend has given me around the skull in an effort to draw him out. Not too much. The fish doesn't bite, so to speak, but with my flashlight I can see him moving in there. He's pretty fat. About 3 inches long, maybe 4. I decide to call him Moby.

My plan to "fishless cycle" goes to the wayside, as I'm sure adding loads of almost pure ammonia isn't going to help Moby be all he can be. I find out Moby is a "upside down" catfish.

Fast forward 3 months. A combination of two wonderful filters, weekly water changes, and a lonely resident has insured crystal clean water. I have yet use the test kit aside from the first day I filled the tank.

I decided not to use the lava rock as I liked the look of the tank without it, and there are plenty of fake plants to provide cover. It has stayed outside, where it has been rained on, dryed out, rained on again, etc, etc, for 3 months.

I have decided to have a species tank, and ultimately want to have 60-70 neons or cardinals. I also would like to add more "upsidedown" catfish.

I have 3 questions:

1. How many cardinals or neons should I add at once, and at what intervals would I add the remainder???

2. Should I add more catfish, or would Moby be a less than gracious host???

3. How would I clean the lava rocks should I decide to add them at a later date
 
1) I think it would be safe to add ~10-12 at a time. With this number, the chance/magnitude of a mini-cycle is minimal. When you're buying cardinals/neons, I'd stick with 1 species, and make sure that the fish have been at your lfs for at least 2 weeks, since these fish are notorious for dying easily. The only way you can tell when you can add more fish is when you test your water and know your tank has stabilized.

2) not knowledgable on catfish...

3) Just boil them in water and let them dry out completely in an oven or something.
 
Oooh! what a suprise... I think I would faint!
I agree with what the red chaser said. boiling rocks is definitely the best way to go.
Ive heard you can have a few of them. maybe get another one and see his reaction, as he may be too territorial by now. fish do have personalities :)
 
Moby is a survivor and I'm sure that you have a special feeling with this lucky guy. Cardinals are much beautiful than neons IMO. Congratulations and hope you can post pictures.
 
good call pappy
 
So do you think there are any traces of Ich parasites remaining in the tank? You would not want to introduce cardinals/neons and have them be wiped out by it.
 
A tank that size allows for the adding of a larger quantity of fish. For small fish like Neons, I agree with 10-12. Wait a couple of weeks and allow them to adjust and for your tank to catch up on the increased bio-load before adding anything more. Keep an eye on the water chemistry.
 
Moby is a survivor and I'm sure that you have a special feeling with this lucky guy. Cardinals are much beautiful than neons IMO. Congratulations and hope you can post pictures.

He sure is. When I told my friend of Moby's survival, he was astonished. He thought all the fish had died, so while he let the filters run, Moby lived for more than 2 months with no food, no light, and no heat before the tank was sold to me. And in Canada it gets pretty cold during the winter.
When I have my Cardinal school in place, I will be happy to post pics. Thank you for your kind words

upside down catfish = Synodontis nigriventris

They are social fish, so I would do a group of 4-5 eventually. Moby should welcome tankmates.

Excellent. I was gonna look for a couple of pretty girls for him. Unless Moby is a girl. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...

So do you think there are any traces of Ich parasites remaining in the tank? You would not want to introduce cardinals/neons and have them be wiped out by it.

No, I think it's all dead. I had the tank running at 86 degrees for awhile, as a friend told me heat kills the Ich. Not real sure how long it can survive though...hopefully someone can answer that here!!!
 
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