This might start some contraversy but...

[plah831]

i wasn't going to justify this dude with a response, but... if you can't figure out the difference between what i do and what you're doing, maybe you do need it spelled out.

my lab gets paid by state funds to develop better guidelines for conservation. i, in fact, was a consultant on a project aimed at developing more effective fish protection at coastal power plants funded by the California Energy Commission. what my colleagues and i do is designed to increase knowledge, for the greater good of fishes. we are on the cutting edge of understanding how they function. we pass that information on to the public and private persons, in the effort to improve the way they interact with and care for fishes. i'm on this forum because i can give people valuable, helpful information.

this past year, i actually came to the realization that i am, in fact, not comfortable with experimenting on animals and have decided not to pursue a Ph.D., or work in research once i get my degree. for a discussion on that http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78926

 

[Ghost_knife]

In your "video" you notice the one pink color fish? See the red under the gill plate? Thats not normally that red. thats a sign that your fish can hardly breathe.

 

[Emg]

Not sure how i got singled out in that.

I was responding to this post SF.....not really singling you out persay, just used this post to make a point:

There lies the difference between those of us who care for fish(no matter who's tank they are in) and those of you who feel they are disposable novelties deserving of torture for your own pleasure.

 

[managuay86]

In your "video" you notice the one pink color fish? See the red under the gill plate? Thats not normally that red. thats a sign that your fish can hardly breathe.

ok well how familiar are you with cichlids??? that "pink colored" fish is a red devil and most young devils have near transparent gill plates and the gills are very visible they as they mature the gill plates become thicker and less visible. Also if it could hardly breathe it would not have lasted this long it would have died the first week plus it would not be eating and it would be up at the surface gasping for air..... next time think before you speak it will make you sound less ignorant. :joke:

all of the haters are saying that my fish are unhealthy and are gonna die soon. but so far all of you have not given proof that they are in such terrible condition. they are growing and doing great.... so CHECK AND MATE! :dance:

P.S. HERE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THEM... the tank looks a lil icky cuz i havnt algae scraped yet. you look at how healthy these fish are and then tell me that they are dying. (FYI damsels turn a dark purple when they are stressed.) The other smaller red devil and the texas are the shy ones so they were hiding through all the snap shots.

 

[Ghost_knife]

I've worked with all types of fish long enough to know when Someone is suffering.

 

[beatle]

Thanks for the pics and the video. The damsel sure seems lively, but the red devil didn't seem all that interested in eating. Is he generally lethargic?

 

[sumthin fishy]

all of the haters are saying that my fish are unhealthy and are gonna die soon. but so far all of you have not given proof that they are in such terrible condition. they are growing and doing great.... so CHECK AND MATE! :dance:

Sadly, I dont think they are going to die soon, they will die premature deaths over the course of time, but thats only after a fairly long period of suffereing When are you going to answer some of my previous questions?

 

[dorkfish]

Anyone else notice how the red devil apears to be breathing heavily? Northstar only pinted out the redness of the gill areas.

If anybody wants, I can setup that basic 10g SW tank I talked about in my earlier post in this thread (not right away though, I need a month to empty one of my 10g FW's into a bigger tank), stock it with a blue devil damsel and any extra coral frags if I ever have any, and have a "contest" to see who's fish lives longer, just to prove his fish isn't thriving. And, I've been wanting a damsel tank anyway.

 

[managuay86]

Thanks for the pics and the video. The damsel sure seems lively, but the red devil didn't seem all that interested in eating. Is he generally lethargic?

your welcome no he ate earlier and he just wasnt all that interested in eating, the damsel ate also but saltwater fish just generally eat more I am going to post another video of them eating tomorrow ok..

Controversey for sure. I wonder if you realise you are experimenting with a LIVING CREATURE?!
Have you even done the research to find out how or why there are fish that live in saltwater or freshwater and thier differences? Do you plan on publishing your findings? Would you have even cared (and not just the ding to your walet) if they all died? Do you have a theory? A controll? Are you keeping record of any and all variables? Are you doing this with a large number of tanks, compairing results, incase this is a freak accident and it will never ever work with another tank of the same conditions/inhabitants?

i have done research on why saltwater and freshwater fish are seperated yes it involves their biology. salwater fish are in a saltier environment so liquids get drained from their body a lot quicker therfor saltwater fish generally drink a lot of water just to keep the right amount of liquids in their body they also eat more. Freshwater fish live in a very low salinity environment and their body naturally absorbs a lot of water, so generally the freshwater fish urinate often just to equal out the liquids in their body. as a matter of fact yes I do plan to do something with my findings but only after at least a year or more has passes and all the fish are healthy and growing. I dont have a theory because a theory would involve a series of experiments that have not been disproven but I do have a hypothesis and it is: If I convert a freshwater environment to a brackish environment slowly over a period of time with freshwater fish already in it, that has enough salinity for the saltwater fish, then I could have a saltwater fish and freshwater fish coexist. Yes I am doing this with a number of tanks, at work my manager has agreed to let me do this with a jack dempsy, a black molly, a plecostumus, and Channel Catfish. So far the only fish that experienced any problems was the plecostumus which was reaclimated back into fresh water which is doing great now. ANd if I care or not well for wat its worth yes I do.. If anything should happen My work is a five minute drive and All the necessory equipment are there to revive the fish. ANy other quistions you want me to answer?

 

[managuay86]

also I forgot to mention... all the ppl that are saying that my fish are suffering and dying, are you guys speaking from experience and be honest, if no experience is inquired with all these statements then you have no sayso..