P.S maybe you should read the article, too. it said a salt bath works fine. and he doesn't need to give his fish one, anyway. also I was just giving him the info lest his fish get it again.Roan Art said:
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Tiger barbs dying
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It does NOT say that salt baths work fine. How the heck did you glean that from the information? I quote:fishcatch22 said:
. . .Therefore, I consider this method to be ineffective, and not something to use. In addition to the fact that it doesn’t work, it is hard on the fish being dipped. Added stress will further complicate the issue of treatment.
The information you have supplied him is incorrect and could cause the death of his fish. Also if the fish are treated properly and a quarantine tank is used for new fish, they WON'T get it again.
VBOutside:
Please exercise caution if you are using ich products that contain malachite green. Malachite green is toxic to barbs, tetras and some other fishes. It becomes more toxic at higher temperatures, so if you have increased your temperature, please drop it back to normal.
Roan
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Maybe some clarifications on my side. Salt baths do work (Sorry Roan). The definition of a salt bath when it comes to fish is a longer term soak in a mild saline solution (0.3% for example). Every time we reccommend treating the fish with salt we are in a sense giving them a salt bath. Removing the fish from the tank for this is not needed and stressful as the ich resides in the tank and only the infectous free swimming stage can be killed by the salt.
On the other hand a salt dip is useless. Salt dips is where you use a higher saline concentration (3% for example) and put the fish in this for 20 seconds or so and then return them to the tank. This is useful when treating columnaris or even fungus but for ich it is useless as the attached ich are immune to basically every treatment.
In conclusion longer term salt baths work, salt dips do not.
On the other hand a salt dip is useless. Salt dips is where you use a higher saline concentration (3% for example) and put the fish in this for 20 seconds or so and then return them to the tank. This is useful when treating columnaris or even fungus but for ich it is useless as the attached ich are immune to basically every treatment.
In conclusion longer term salt baths work, salt dips do not.
If your going to keep Tiger Barbs you will need something to treat ich. They seem to easily get infected. Using salt has proven effective for me. I have also been able to cure ich using medication called General Cure.
C'mon, rrkss, a bath is not a "14 day long soak". Where did you hear that that is how the word is applied when it comes to fish? Even Dave has bath and dip as being pretty much the same thing and they are.rrkss said:
A bath is a soak in a weak solution -- you're talking about an hour or two. A dip is a short dip of minutes in a very strong solution.
Adding salt to a tank or putting fish in a tank with salt for x days is not a bath. If you sat in a bath that long you'd look like a Shar pei
Changing the definition of words as we know them is confusing.
Also, if you read his post, he is definitely not referring to a full course of treatment. Removing fish that have ich from the tank and putting them in a weak solution of salt for a week: "1/2 rounded tablespoon per 5 gallons" is not enough to kill ich nor will it remove the rest of the ich from the tank.
Roan
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finally, someone one my side! that is what I meant! a BATH!! in saline! NOT a DIP!! END OF ARGUMENT!!!:mad2:rrkss said:
