totally loosing patience with gourami

MikefromNH

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I had 2 powder blue gourami's in my 90 gal. A first they were fine, then one started bullying the other one around. He always hid in the corner and whenever he tried to sneak out, the dominant one nipped at him sending him back to the corner. There is no way he was getting any food and as the days progressed he became noticably skinnier, not sickly looking but skinnier. I watched til' every particle of food was consumed and I am sure he isn't eating. I've tried every trick in the book to get him to eat to no avail.

I understand this dominant fish thing is relatively normal.

So, I figured I'd get another so there would be 3 total. Now the same thing is happening, 2 in the corner and 1 "socializing" normally. I tried removing the dominant one for a couple of hrs putting it in a large bucket. My LFS said this might work. It didn't.

A little while ago I saw one of the submissive fish swimming happily near the top at the end of the tank. I figured now is a good time to throw a few extra flakes in as the rest of the fish were fed an hour prior to this and were swimming at the other end of the tank. I go to lift up the glass cover and what happens?.....it slips out of my grip, slams down and sends the gourami swimming for his life. I have never seen either of the submissive fish anywhere in the tank until now, and this happens!!:mad:

A few minutes ago I stood over where their hiding spot is and very slowly moved my hand near them to spook them out into the open. Sure enough, after a minute or two, one of them casually moves ever so slightly into the open and BANG, the dominant fish flies(swims) over from the other side of the tank and nips him!

Now I'm always a very patient/non violent guy and I really had to restrain myself from pulling the old freezer trick here. I am ashamed to even write this because I would never hurt a defenseless living thing but I am really at the end of the line with this fishes behaviour. I really think the submissive fish will eventually starve. From what I've heard, even if there is a dominant fish the others will still find a way to eat. Do to the dominant gouramis honed terrorizing skills, this isn't happening.

I'd like to get another tank for my dining room after the holidays so then would be a good time to isolate the dominant one. On the other hand I may choose not to, so I really can't count on this being an option.

I've been told rearranging the tank may remedy this problem but that isn't an option, like I said it's a 90 gal.

Any ideas??
 
I would just either keep the dominant fish by himself, or get rid of him all together(take him back to the LFS;))
 
Slappy*McFish said:
I would just either keep the dominant fish by himself, or get rid of him all together(take him back to the LFS;))

I've hinted this idea to my LFS lady and she didn't really bite. After my hinting and her nonresponsiveness is it wrong to ask her straight up?



mayreee said:
I would take 2 back to the LFS. If you take one back and you have 2 left I think you might find one of them bully the other.

You're probably correct.
 
If you were willing to "give" him to the LFS, they'd probably take him without a problem. They just don't like giving refunds.
 
The lfs here will exchange a big fish for a smaller one or maybe different variety (within reason - you are not likely to get an angel for a tetra) but they do this for people when the fish they get outgrow the tank or whatever...
 
Gouramis are territorial fish, so it's not going to stop unfortunately. The best thing to do is return two of the three and keep your favourite - he'll be happy to call the entire tank his own.
Combining anabantids (gouramis, paradisefish, bettas) with each other or other territorial fish (like cichlids) can lead to major disputes - it's just their nature.
 
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Blinky said:
Gouramis are territorial fish, so it's not going to stop unfortunately. The best thing to do is return two of the three and keep your favourite - he'll be happy to call the entire tank his own.
Combining anabantids (gouramis, paradisefish, bettas) with each other or other territorial fish (like cichlids) can lead to major disputes - it's just their nature.

Thanks, everyone, for the help thus far.

I also have 2 opalines and 2 pearls and there is a dominant fish in both pairs. There is chasing and light nipping but never any visible wounds. It looks more like playing to me because most of the time each pair hang out with each other. Every once in a while the dominant one turns and chases.

I don't understand why they got along in the LFS tank. There were 15 or so in there and I watched them for 10 min. There was no aggression at all.

I'll probably try returning the aggressive one and see if the other 2 will get along, if not then I'll just keep the one. Unfortunately, IMO they are clearly the most striking fish in the tank. My angels are great but even with their beautiful fins and shape, the color of the gouramis is simply incredible. Maybe not as cartoonish as a colorful saltwater fish but just as bright.

BTW: Is gourami used as a singular and plural? or would the plural be gouramis?
 
I assume the reason 15 of them 'get along' in a LFS tank is because they're new to the environment and very crowded (if you're feeling squashed in an elevator, who do you blame? If there's on person, it's easy; if there are 15, it's harder ;)).
Given any length of time, they'll very likely start to have disagreements about which space belongs to whom. I recently saw a group of beautiful 6" plecos crowded into a LFS tank really going at it, and I'm guessing they were fighting over the one hiding spot in the tank.
IMHO, keeping gourami(s?) or other solitary/territorial fish in crowded LFS tanks must be very stressful for them - at least fish like tetras who are packed into those small spaces are schooling fish by nature.
I hope returning the agressor will help things in your tank return to normal and that poor little guy he's been bullying can finally get something to eat without being chased.
As for the singular/plural thing... I need to go brush up on my Latin!
 
Do you have room for anymore? A group of 3 males and 5 or 6 females is likely to work out much better than what you have now. As you already know, if you only have 2 or 3 dwarf gouramis (this is also true for many kinds of fish), the dominiant one will make the other(s) miserable. When you get up to 6 or more, there are usually too many for one to dominate and it all works better.
 
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