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[slipknottin]

Over time - - this communist country will reap the $$$ we pump into them, - and for what?

China's economic system is no longer communist. It is fast becoming a capitalist system.

But alas, you still misunderstand the point of trade. We are not pumping money into them. For every dollar we send to them, they are sending us a good worth that same amount. There is no loss of US money. We gain from that trade arrangment, otherwise we would have to dedicate our businesses to providing goods that china can provide cheaper. I would far rather have our businesses focus on high tech high paying jobs then try to compete with china making t-shirts. Allowing our businesses to focus on high tech jobs gives us better economic performance, and the potential for better military performance. Look at what we have done lately with robotics, biotech, guidance systems, etc. etc.

 

[125gJoe]

China's economic system is no longer communist. It is fast becoming a capitalist system......


Look at what we have done lately with robotics, biotech, guidance systems, etc. etc.

On your first statement - I can only hope so...

On the second, we may develope it - they always end up with it.. Yes, that is true.


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[slipknottin]

On your first statement - I can only hope so...

The CIA certainly seems to think so - "In late 1978 the Chinese leadership began moving the economy from a sluggish, inefficient, Soviet-style centrally planned economy to a more market-oriented system. Whereas the system operates within a political framework of strict Communist control, the economic influence of non-state organizations and individual citizens has been steadily increasing."

On the second, we may develope it - they always end up with it.. Yes, that is true.

Yea, about 20-30 years after us.

 

[125gJoe]

... .... ...
Yea, about 20-30 years after us.

Let's try 2 to 3 years..


China is not a "3rd world country".....
Besides that, there are some that would commit 'treason' and sell secrets to China. You HAVE to know this.
To say 20 to 30 years is like - "burying your head in the sand.."

> Money makes some talk - some will talk for the money. <

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China - The Sleeping Giant

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Treason:

1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.

...Yeah, 2 or so years at most .....

 

[slipknottin]

Let's try 2 to 3 years..

Really? When did we develop stealth aircraft? How many does China have? hmm

China is not a "3rd world country".....

3rd world means either one of two things, the older definition, which meant aligned with neither the US nor the soviet union during the cold war, or the more modern definition, which essentially means a developing country. By any economic definition china is most definatly a developing country, and is therefore a third world country. If instead, your arguing that they were aligned with the soviets during the cold war, and are therefore a 2nd world nation (which essentially means nothing today) then I see no point in the statement. In any case, China is a developing nation.

Besides that, there are some that would commit 'treason' and sell secrets to China. You HAVE to know this.
To say 20 to 30 years is like - "burying your head in the sand.."

First off, nice strawman argument. I thought you were arguing about how us trading with China is bad?

Second of all, I dont see any treason giving china the technology and manufacturing ability to produce any of the more modern weapons we have today. Even with the exact blueprints it would take them at least 10 years to gear up and produce most of our newer technologies.

Third, I really dont see what this has to do with anything in this thread at all. What does treason and the sale of secrets have to do with trade, or even china specifically? Would it be better if someone commited treason and sold our secrets to Canada?

 

[125gJoe]

slipknottin,

First of all, I'm just pointing out some facts. I'm not arguing. ...
Can you deny what the Defense Ministry in China said?

I think not.

There's no argument here, just points made and stated.

Oh, why would they need "stealth" when their military is so overwhelming by numbers - and losses can be "absorbed" as they so state?

No argument, just look at the reality.



Surely some wonder... the smart watch very carefully.

 

[slipknottin]

slipknottin,

First of all, I'm just pointing out some facts. I'm not arguing. ...
Can you deny what the Defense Ministry in China said?

What part of your post was the quote of the defense ministry? That money gets some to talk? Do realize that knowing how to build something does not always equate into being able to do so, and that china would need to have a pretty massive network to obtain all of the secrets needed to catch up to our technological edge. Even the Russians at the height of their spy campaign could not learn about all our technology.

Oh, why would they need "stealth" when their military is so overwhelming by numbers - and losses can be "absorbed" as they so state?

In war, numbers alone confer no advantage. Sun Tzu.

Their military can not rely on manpower alone, technology is at least as important. All throughout history an army of larger size has been defeated due to the opposing side being better armed, prepared, and commanded.

If you want other more modern evidence, look at the recent wars weve fought, during Desert Storm Iraq had one of the largest and most advanced militaries in the world, I believe 5th or 6th. We 'killed' roughly 300,000 Iraqi soilders, and lost rougly 150 armericans. Thats a 2000:1 'kill' to death ratio. With that kind of ratio, we could eliminate every single male from 15-49 in china with roughly 200,000 troops. Still think technology is useless?

 

[snafu]

I stopped supporting walmart because of its decision on banning concealed carryring into the store

Is this a local decision?
I have never seen anything posted at the front door of any Walmart in this area stating that. Usually, it has to be posted at or near an entrance to be enforced.

I'm gonna stay out of the political stuff, but on a side note, as a business owner, if I dont make a profit on any particular item, I tend to lose interest in producing and/or stocking said item. I will change product lines before I will let someone else dictate a price on my products. There are too many open markets out there to have to settle for narrow profit margins and strong competition. Like poker, you just have to know when to fold...

 

[Jason01]

One other thing with a supposed chinese war. China does not have enough land to grow enough crops to feed themselves as it is. If China did attack any forgien state, the whole world would repond. I really don't think that we(USA) would continue to send our food to a warring nation, especially one that started a war with the intent to topple us. Also, if they attacked an independant nation, the response would be global. In this age, everybody fights for the little guy. It would not just be China vs. USA. It would be China vs. World. Look at desert storm. It was mostly a USA led battle, but how many other nations fought beside us to liberate Iran?

We would not go about this alone, if it actually came to it. I belive that they have made plans to attack us. It would be VERY rediculus for us to believe that our nation has not made a plan if that happend. They probably have it drawn to the last detail, probably incorporating technology that we don't even know about.

And we have Wal-mart to blame for this......

 

[Matak]

Why am I against megabigblock stores like Walmart? It erodes the middle class. Labour policies in developing countries are completely unfair. And it does create an unlevel playing field for the competition.
Tomm10 said:

Walmart does harm some vendors with their pricing policies. Ever wonder why an item you can't find anywhere on the planet for less than $99.95 sells at Walmart for $95.97? Walmart uses their ridiculous size and buying power to muscle their vendors into selling them their products at extremely low prices. Often, these prices are less than what it costs the manufacturer to make them (when overhead, etc. are factored in).

Another factor to consider is that in many cases, the items you see on the shelves at Walmart, Home Depot and other big box stores is on consignment, meaning that the merchandise is the property of the maufaturer until it is sold, further putting the manufaturer at the mercy of the retailer.

Lets extrapolate this to its furthest end. What if all goods were sold by a very few retailers, and all manufacturing jobs were in China or some other second or third world nation and many of our middle management jobs were sourced out to countries with cheap labour and good education (like in India perhaps)? Where would we be then? You can say that it is not going to happen, yet we see things rapidly heading in that direction.

I don't forsee China quashing us (meaning the west) on a military scale. They won't have to. They can let us do it ourselves economicaly.