Not all of them, but it's just plain sad. Now starting over, survivors, a Gourami and a Placostimus are in the hospital tank and were going out to get Eco complete for the tank. This time, before any fish go in, there will be plants, good lighting and were gonna try the fishless cycling. We have a 60 gallon tank, soft water, pH 7.2, Aqua rays (2), a Whisper filter. Can this work do you think without an under gravel filter system if the plants grow and we change the water faithfully? Will be very grateful for any response. :look: