What dog food

A common drug found in the rendering brew is phenobarbital, commonly used to euthanize sick animals. The American Journal of Veterinary Research did a study in 1985 that showed there was virtually no degradation of this drug during the typical rendering process and that measurable quantities of it remain present in the rendered material used for pet foods and for feeding cattle destined for human consumption.

The grains in pet food bear little resemblance to the nutrient rich cereals we assume are present. Pet food grain consists of the leftovers after the grain has been processed for humans. It also contains moldy grain that has been declared unfit for human consumption. Some of the mold is toxic and potentially deadly.

The preservatives added to pet foods, and human foods, are highly toxic. Sodium nitrite, a coloring agent and preservative, ethoxyquin, an insecticide, BHA and BHT have all been linked to cancer. Your dog could be consuming as much as 26 pounds of preservatives each year if it is fed these foods.

The state of ill health that these non-foods generate is responsible for a host of health problems and can cause a hypersensitivity to flea and insect bites. Many flea allergies would go away in animals if their diets were changed.

From here http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/mar1999/1999-03-28g.asp

And when I get home I will dig up the news article from I belive it was chicago
 
jojo22 said:
A common drug found in the rendering brew is phenobarbital, commonly used to euthanize sick animals. The American Journal of Veterinary Research did a study in 1985 that showed there was virtually no degradation of this drug during the typical rendering process and that measurable quantities of it remain present in the rendered material used for pet foods and for feeding cattle destined for human consumption.

The grains in pet food bear little resemblance to the nutrient rich cereals we assume are present. Pet food grain consists of the leftovers after the grain has been processed for humans. It also contains moldy grain that has been declared unfit for human consumption. Some of the mold is toxic and potentially deadly.

The preservatives added to pet foods, and human foods, are highly toxic. Sodium nitrite, a coloring agent and preservative, ethoxyquin, an insecticide, BHA and BHT have all been linked to cancer. Your dog could be consuming as much as 26 pounds of preservatives each year if it is fed these foods.

The state of ill health that these non-foods generate is responsible for a host of health problems and can cause a hypersensitivity to flea and insect bites. Many flea allergies would go away in animals if their diets were changed.

From here http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/mar1999/1999-03-28g.asp

And when I get home I will dig up the news article from I belive it was chicago
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I will have a hard time believeing any of that informations without facts, scientifc evidence... A news article desont mean much. So, any scientific studies, maybe some that aren't ~ ten -twenty+ years old?

*Goes out to scold dogs for eating rotten deer remains out of the woods out back*

Blue
 
jojo, what ingrediants am i aiming for, you cant say all dog food that is not expensive full of bones and by-products, I dont see how someone can prove that. Im sure some food products have meat for dogs.
 
musho3210 said:
jojo, what ingrediants am i aiming for, you cant say all dog food that is not expensive full of bones and by-products, I dont see how someone can prove that. Im sure some food products have meat for dogs.
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Diamond Naturals or the Kirkland Signature Chicken and Rice or Lamb and Rice is NOT expensive and does NOT use by products or corn. They are almost identical in formulation and both made by Diamond.

Diamond did have a recall, it was due to aflatoxin(found in corn), not salmonella. But that was regular Diamond, not the Naturals.

It's anywhere from $14-$22 for 40lbs. I pay $18 and am very happy with it.

I don't like Science Diet because for the price, there are far better foods. Science Diet uses very little meat and lots of corn.

But the Diamond Naturals is a great food for anyone wanting to feed their dogs more meat than what is found in Pedigree, Purina, etc, without spending more money.

I used to feed Pedigree and had lots of problems. My dogs were gassy, greasy, and they shed a lot. They are like brand new dogs now!

I would never look down on anyone for their choice, it's a personal decision. As long as you make an informed one.

Know what dogs should eat(as in, what is most natural for them to consume and easily digested), then read your ingredients lists and decide what you are comfortable feeding.

Musho, here is a comparison. Here is Purina Dog Chow:

Ground yellow corn, poultry by-product meal, corn gluten meal, soybean meal, beef tallow preserved with mixed-tocopherols (source of vitamin E), brewers rice, dicalcium phosphate, calcium carbonate, malted barley flour, salt, animal digest, potassium chloride, L-lysine monohydrochloride, choline chloride, zinc oxide, ferrous sulfate, vitamin supplements (A, E, B-12, D-3), manganese sulfate, niacin, calcium pantothenate, brewers dried yeast, riboflavin supplement, biotin, garlic oil, pyridoxine hydrochloride, copper sulfate, thiamine mononitrate, folic acid, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), calcium iodate.

Do you see how there's lots of corn, and very little meat? By products aren't necessarily bad(contrary to popular belief, they're just organs and skin and stuff-dogs love that crap. :) ) Problem is, it's not the most usable source of protein. That's why I avoid them. They are not actually low quality junk parts of the animal. Dogs just don't utilize the protein as well.

Here is Diamond Naturals Lamb and Rice
Lamb meal, whole grain brown rice, white rice, cracked pearled barley, fish meal, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), egg product, beet pulp, flaxseed, natural flavor, brewers dried yeast, potassium chloride, salt, choline chloride, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.

Mmm, lots of meat, no corn!

There are many other brands besides the DN that are good quality and don't include icky ingredients. This is just a handy example, and a food I can vouch for. If anyone wants tips on what to feed or where to get it...just ask. I've got a lot of hands-on experience, though I'm by no means an expert. I just know a lot about what brands different stores carry, and I can maybe help you find something in your price range that's available.
 
jojo22 said:
You do know that "kibble" type foods have ground up euthanized pets in them don't you??? That is the meat meal, they has even been found sodium barpenatrol (sp) which is the chemical used to kill the pets at the pound, so by logic, "kibbles"=feeding your dog poison.

Plus dogs have no use for all the vegie matter, my pit and grate dane whent from pooping like horses on kibble to me mistaking their poo for the poodle's next door.
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Not all foods do. I believe Pedigree and Purina were reported to test positive for sodium pentobarbitol but I don't have a source to verify this.

Meat meal is nothing more than ground meat and bone that has been cooked.

Now the thing to be afraid of, is when it just says "Meat and bone meal"...and doesn't say what animal it comes from! THEN it could be roadkill, euthed pets...whatever. If it says "Chicken meal" it's just basically a whole chicken, minus organs, ground up and cooked.

If you feed BARF or raw that's awesome, I love that diet. I just want to point out that not all kibbles are bad news. Though I do believe fresh foods are better! Just like we'd never buy ourselves a big bag of Human Chow.
 
musho3210 said:
:confused: do you mean your dog thinks that?

Its hard finding non supermarket food here, my vet is in petsmart (the banfield or something) and theres another vet down the street but that is just a vet, not selling anything. So if its not supermarket food, i cant get my hands on it. I guess its just how my suburb works.... (evanston IL, just north of chicago)
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Sorry for the posting frenzy here.

Musho, Petsmart carries a number of good quality foods. They are just a bit more expensive than other quality brands. (Everything's more expensive at Petsmart.)

Blue Buffalo, Nutro Ultra,and Nutro Naturals would be my top choices from that store, in that order. (Nutro uses more fillers than Blue for a similar price).

Also, Petfooddirect is a good site for ordering food.

Check feed and local pet stores for Diamond.
 
lol ive noticed petsmart is too cheap, in both quality and price (talking about the fish section, dog section seems alright). I'll look into blue buffalo and the nutro things. i will also look out for diamond.
 
http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2001/301_pet.html

From the above FDA government link:

Some people prefer to pass up animal by-products, which are proteins that have not been heat processed (unrendered) and may contain heads, feet, viscera and other animal parts not particularly appetizing. But protein quality of by-products sometimes is better than that from muscle meat, says Burkholder.

"Meal" is another ingredient that some people like to avoid. In processing meat meal or poultry by-product meal, by-products are rendered (heat processed), which removes the fat and water from the product. Meat or poultry by-product meal contains parts of animals not normally eaten by people.

Some consumers try to avoid pet foods with synthetic preservatives, such as butylated hydroxyanisole (BHA), butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT), and ethoxyquin. Ethoxyquin, in particular, has been hotly debated. Current scientific data suggest that ethoxyquin is safe, but some pet owners avoid this additive because of a suspected link to liver damage and other health problems in dogs. CVM has asked pet food producers to voluntarily lower their maximum level of ethoxyquin in dog food while more studies are being conducted on this preservative, and the industry is cooperating.

Raw diet (book):

http://www.amazon.com/Raw-Dog-Food-Make-Easy/dp/1929242093

The reviews on this page are pretty informative. I don't know too much about the raw diet but it seems like it's really healthy for dogs.

http://www.consumersearch.com/www/family/dog-food/index.html

From the link above:

Pet-nutrition experts say that the best dog food is made from human-grade ingredients like meat, whole grains and vegetables. What you don't want is a lot of filler as the primary ingredients; these are items that have less nutritional benefit. According to the Animal Protection Institute, dogs can absorb almost all the nutrients from white rice, but grains like oats, flour and wheat have almost no nutritional value for dogs. Corn products aren't very valuable either, and peanut hulls have no value at all.

Reviews agree that the primary ingredient in dog food should be meat-based protein, not corn meal, flour or corn gluten meal. The primary ingredient in Purina Dog Chow (*est. $14 for a 22-pound bag) is ground yellow corn rather than meat. The primary ingredient in Alpo Prime Cuts (*est. $9 for an 18-pound bag) and Pedigree Complete Nutrition (*est. $14 for a 22-pound bag) is also ground yellow corn. Better choices include Natural Balance Ultra (*est. $21 for a 17-pound bag) , which includes chicken, brown rice and duck as its primary ingredients. Innova Adult Formula dry dog food (*est. $20 for a 16.5-pound bag) lists turkey and chicken as the first two ingredients. Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul dry food is an especially good value (*est. $16 for an 18-pound bag) . Chicken, turkey, chicken meal, turkey meal, whole-grain brown rice and whole-grain white rice are its primary ingredients, and there are no chemical preservatives.
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I didn't post everything from the above links, just some excerpts from some. The full articles are interesting too.

This post is to no one imparticular. I never started looking at my dog food ingredients until my vet gave me a flier about what to look for. My vet's office doesn't even sell any of the "good" brands so I know they don't provide the information just to make a buck.

I'll try to post the handout I received from the vet later on when I have more time- interesting read.
 
ok thanks everyone, i will buy a small bag of one of the high quality dog foods you mentioned. If my dogs like them and dont have a reaction to them, i will stick to that. If not i will try another company.
 
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