I hear you. I'm lucky that my son's dad is a cabinetmaker/contractor and he has learned quite a bit over the past 18 years. I do have to threaten him with extra yardwork if he doesn't work on my stand some more though. If you had told me a year ago that I'd allow a 2x4 skeleton frame with skimmers, pumps, ballasts and such in the middle of my greatroom I'd have laughed you right out of my house.