whats the best possible set up for plants?

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if plants were the main feature of the tank and you just wanted a few tetras in there or something for movement.

what kind of substrate, filtration, lightings, fetilizer would you use?

i never seem to have a great deal of luck with plants. they do grow, but allways look a little worse for wear!
 
Is money a consideration? How large is the tank?

If I had free rein (*drool*) to create a gorgeous planted tank, I'd probably do this (keep in mind I'm still learning)

- 48" long tank (makes lighting easier)
- Flourite substrate
- 4WPG fluorescent/PC lighting
- Canister filtration (Eheim, Rena FilStar, Fluval)
- 25ppm CO2
- PMDD fertilizer (Since I switched from bottled fertilizers, my plants are doing better, so even with all the money in the world I'd still mix my own)

Ta-da! The tank in my imagination is beautiful! ;)
 
Just so you're aware, the previous post was what I'd do if I could do exactly what I wanted - 4WPG would be great, but it's not essential. You can keep some plants at as little as 1.5WPG. Likewise, CO2 isn't an absolute must - lots of people keep 'low maintenance' tanks with low to medium light levels and no CO2.

PMDD - it's DIY fertilizer, stands for 'Poor Man's Dosing Drops' I believe. My current mix (which differs a bit from the standard PMDD because when I made the batch I was having trouble finding KNO3) is listed in my tank specs - just click on my signature if you'd like to see. Try Googling PMDD and you'll see lots of stuff about DIY fertilization.

CO2 is needed if you're using high light and fertilizer - I think of them as three sides of a triangle; without one, the others can't be used to their potential.
I use DIY CO2 - plastic 2L soda bottles filled with water, 2 cups of sugar and 1/2 tsp bread yeast. Just drill a hole in the cap slightly smaller than the diameter of airline tubing, and pull the tubing through. You can silicone it (to prevent leaks) or not - I find if the hole's small enough you generally don't need to - and then attach it to a check valve and run the airline into the tank. You can use an airstone (but keep it clean or you can get back pressure and the bottle will explode) or feed the airline into a filter intake or bubble counter. There's LOTS of stuff online about DIY CO2 - different methods, mixes and diffusers, all variations on a theme.
If money was no object I'd be using a CO2 canister - I DIY because it's affordable, but it takes 6 bottles to get the level of CO2 where I want it in my tank so it's a bit of a PITA.

To figure out how much CO2 is in the water (how many ppm - parts per million) you need to know pH and KH - I use the calculator from Chuck's Planted Aquariumwebsite. Anywhere from 20ppm - 35ppm is what I aim for.

I wouldn't do stuff based solely on what I personally like - wait to see what others say. We all have different ways of doing things that work for us.
 
thats great, thanks for the info

i've been keeping fish for 8-9 years, but have yet to create an enviroment i was 100% with. mainly due to poor plant growth.

hopefully sometime in the new year i shall start again with my smaller tank and see if i can create a good plant habitat for my fish.

do you use more than one strip light?

i've heard of people runnings three or four on staggered timers to simulate day/night
 
I use 110W PC (9325K) and 60W T12 (6700K), with a 20W T8 used to transition from light to dark. All the specifics are in my specs if you want to see.
I hope your new setup works out nicely. There are some VERY knowledgeable people here, so if you've got specific questions related to slow plant growth etc. they may be able to help :D
 
Blinky,

Do you think that flourite makes a better substrate than eco-complete?

From what I've read they are both very good substrates, but you have no prepping to do with eco-complete, you just dump it in.

But with flourite you have to rinse, rinse, rinse...rinse...rinse.

rinse.

Anyway, just wondering if there was something that flourite had over eco-complete that you may have discovered.

thanks.
 
I would use Flourite (more experience there than EcoComplete), 2-2.5 W/gal triton NO tubes (multiple timers), SeaChen supplements (including Excel), Eheim external and internal canister filtration.

Of course, that also happens to be what I do now on the tanks I like the best. :)
 
Watcher74 said:
Blinky,

Do you think that flourite makes a better substrate than eco-complete?

From what I've read they are both very good substrates, but you have no prepping to do with eco-complete, you just dump it in.

But with flourite you have to rinse, rinse, rinse...rinse...rinse.

rinse.

Anyway, just wondering if there was something that flourite had over eco-complete that you may have discovered.

thanks.

I haven't used Eco-complete, only flourite. When I first set up it was recommended here on AC and at my LFS. I also did research online and found it suited my needs. I agree that the rinsing is horrible (helps to have a diatom filter on the tank right after setup) but IMO it's worth it - it looks good, the fish seem to like it and the size is nice. The shape really seems to help keep stem plants down better than gravel, maybe it's more compact or it's because it's made up of different sized particles, I'm not sure.

That said, I've heard some very good things here on AC about Eco-complete here too. My best advice is to ask around, maybe read back posts or post a poll and get lots of opinions to find the substrate that meets your needs.
 
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