which food is best for goldfish, commons and fancies?
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KENS PREMIUM SPIRULINA + FLAKE WITH GARLIC & PAPRIKA
you should try this then. feed this once a week you get some non nls experience works wonders.
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Reptile, there is no need to get defensive. When I ask you for proof, it's not just because I'm skeptical, it's because we're all trying to build up a knowledge base here. If you had mentioned at the outset that Jack Wattley had done some research into treating parasites with garlic by adding to food, then we wouldn't have had this roundabout discussion and you wouldn't have to feel like we're picking on you.
Instead of saying "some studies have shown" you might try saying "in fact, Jack Wattley published an article in TFH about the use of garlic to treat parasites" and we all might have said, how interesting! I'll have to go look that up because it might apply to my fishkeeping as well, and I might be able to pass on that valuable knowledge to others.
The information was NOT staring us in the face, you were blindly (and rather defensively) referring to it without specific proof. What do you expect us to do?
You're correct here. And as you say, the idea is to provide as much information as possible and if there are scientific articles, research papers or other first-person resources available, adding those to the discussion can richen the knowledge base and help the forum grow. By stating current theories or anecdotal evidence as proven fact without backing it up, you sound hostile and make the rest of us skeptical.
Okay, stepping off the soap box now.
So can we get back to our discussion about food? This is a subject that really interests me personally and I'm sure other forum members as well. Anyone else have anything to add to the FOOD discussion?
im thinking for now il have to stick with what im using, but i just want to make sure theres nothing 'harmful' in the food im using so il post the ingredients.
vegetable protein extracts, fish and fish derivatives, cereals, derivatives of vegetable origin, yeasts, oils and fats, milk and milk derivatives, minerals, lecithin. contains EEC permitted colourants and preservatives.
typical analysis-protein 47.0%, oil 10%, fibre 2.0%, ash 8.0%, moisture 8.0%.
added vitamins per kg- vitamin A 29 270 IU, vitamin D3 1 830 IU, vitamin E 598 mg, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate 137 mg.
my fish seem to really enjoy them, their colours are great, they are active and seem healthy. i have noticed that as the pellets touch the water they give off an oily type of film, almost like they start to lose something on contact with the water, but i dont know if this is the same with all pellets. they dont fall apart though, even if one gets missed for 10 mins or so on the bottom, they barely even swell. not sure if this is good or bad. any opinions welcomed on this, thanks.
vegetable protein extracts, fish and fish derivatives, cereals, derivatives of vegetable origin, yeasts, oils and fats, milk and milk derivatives, minerals, lecithin. contains EEC permitted colourants and preservatives.
typical analysis-protein 47.0%, oil 10%, fibre 2.0%, ash 8.0%, moisture 8.0%.
added vitamins per kg- vitamin A 29 270 IU, vitamin D3 1 830 IU, vitamin E 598 mg, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate 137 mg.
my fish seem to really enjoy them, their colours are great, they are active and seem healthy. i have noticed that as the pellets touch the water they give off an oily type of film, almost like they start to lose something on contact with the water, but i dont know if this is the same with all pellets. they dont fall apart though, even if one gets missed for 10 mins or so on the bottom, they barely even swell. not sure if this is good or bad. any opinions welcomed on this, thanks.
This is what I posted earlier:
"It also treated internal parasites in my discus, something discus are veyr prone to. A couple discus were eating but losing weight. I moved them to a different tank but kept the same water change schedule. I switched from one NLS to the Thera+A and within a few weeks they were back to normal and went back in with the others. The only change was the extra garlic in the food. Jack Wattley suggests using garlic to treat internal parasites in discus in his column in TFH."
This was the paragraph right after the one about the yellow tang in a reef tank.
The information is out there. Obviously no one wants to simply take my word for it. Do the research and I know you will find the same results.
I have experience with lots of other brands. Otherwise I would have nothing to compare the NLS to.
"It also treated internal parasites in my discus, something discus are veyr prone to. A couple discus were eating but losing weight. I moved them to a different tank but kept the same water change schedule. I switched from one NLS to the Thera+A and within a few weeks they were back to normal and went back in with the others. The only change was the extra garlic in the food. Jack Wattley suggests using garlic to treat internal parasites in discus in his column in TFH."
This was the paragraph right after the one about the yellow tang in a reef tank.
The information is out there. Obviously no one wants to simply take my word for it. Do the research and I know you will find the same results.
I have experience with lots of other brands. Otherwise I would have nothing to compare the NLS to.
kelly, what concerns me here is that they don't list the actual ingredients. "fish and fish derivatives" doesn't say anything about what type of protein they're using, for example. it could be the ground up leftovers from food fish, spines and heads and such, or it could be whole salmon steaks. we just don't know. "cereals" doesn't tell you anything about the quality of the starches. are they using wheat, corn, soy? and that bit about "EEC permitted colourants and preservatives" really makes me nervous. colorants could be synthetic chemicals or natural colorants like krill. the worst part, though, is the "milk and milk derivatives." fish cannot digest land-based protein, so the company is just using the milk to drive up their protein content so the food looks good. the fish won't digest it at all, and it can make them sick. that's why the large majority of fish food makers use seafood as a protein source.
lastly, the protein content is super high. 47% is way more than most fish need. if I were using that food, i would feed sparingly as it could lead to health problems down the road. you might think about switching to a different food, at least one that tells you what's in it.
Agreed, you definitely want to know exactly what you are putting in your fish.
Just so you know there is an article in my blog on Fish Nutrition and may help you decide on a good food.
Just so you know there is an article in my blog on Fish Nutrition and may help you decide on a good food.
ooh heck, definately changing then, to be honest the milk part was what i thought was most odd,just didnt seem right to add milk to fish food,but i figured they would know what they were doing. right, well the only other one i can get hold of easily is hikari, but which do i go for, i dont want to feed flake, i like the sinking pellets, and the ones they are on right now are around 2-3mm and they eat them no problem at all. im tryin gto get the best food for my fish, but there are so many to choose from its like over load and they all start to look the same. hikari are stocked at my fave fish store, but im sure ive only seen large koi sticks and flake food. i cant get in until saturday afternoon but i have enough of this 'milk' food until then. i will read through the fish nutrition stuff reptileguy, but i have problems reading numbers so no doubt itl all turn to gobbledegook without meaning much to me. il give it a go, and then i can go armed to find the food i want, thanks for your help.
The only Hikari food I would feed is the Lionhead, which is a sinking goldfish pellet. Have you checked out stuff online? There are lots of options online, ebay can have some really good deals.
