Zombies -- Mafia #11

[IceH2O]

I'm not talking about DD... I read that one. I'm talking about the evidence (and/or) lack thereof of DeputyChief...

Nice attack on me to try and divert attention though.

More and more it's looking to me like a DD led, Ice turn, zombie team from hell, with LadyG playing the emmy winning 'best supporting zombie' role.

Thats fine I'm not on that boat so why would I consider LG? My suspicion of DC was his failure to understand why taking out Charlie was a good move. His post in 415 made me trust him a little more. He and I just didn't agree on strategy. I answered him in 419. I didn't have a strong feeling on DC other than that and even pulled off him yesterday morning.His posts have become more town helping. Not that they weren't before, I just didn't see it in the same light as I do now.

This makes me rethink JL also as he is also on me because of taking out a player going home. But his posts have been more biting. I don't know if he is actually evil or is so convinced I am that he is going after me this hard.It could have just been he saw an opening caused by DC and grabbed a hold.

I think DD is evil, I think that knowing that the zombies have a quick window to end the game that they are willing to throw someone out there to make themselves look good.

Is DD the turn that is now expendable? I don't know. I'm all turned around at this point. I see 3 "teams" if you will. JL/DC ,Ice/LG, Ogre/ Mad. I haven't really seen much from Mad to tweak my radar but I wasn't exactly looking that way. I've been to focused on 1 group.

Ice, your questions do not reflect the obvious groupings of players here. I think it's pretty obvious that you, DD, and LadyG are working as a team.

I think it's pretty obvious that Mad, myself, and JL are having very similar thoughts on the three of you. We're not a team and can't communicate behind the scenes like you guys, my zombie friends.

The only ones I have agreed with on that list regularly is LG. I don't see where DD and I agreed on anything. I was basing her innocence on not attacking me as usual because of my post that could have been taken as killing off the power roles, which I better explained after night fall.

Like I said I think DD could in fact be evil based on her ewurm vote and the fact that I believe JL is already on me so there was no reason to jump me. Unless its also because you wanted to be the one so it didn't look so obvious.

My groupings of players are different then yours so why would I agree with it? That makes no sense.

I do agree that DC looks less zombie but you look more zombie. You can group me with LG that I can see. But I don't see the grouping on me and DD.

I still don't have a good feel for the game just yet. It actually took me dying in BB before it all clicked together. Lynch me instead and hopefully the green slime brings me back with revelations to unfold again lol.

So let me ask this Ogre. If I'm lynched tonight and found innocent that automatically clears DD? You're saying if she is evil I am so I'm assuming this is what you mean.

I myself think after looking over the posts and finger pointing. Trying to get a train started that DD was the turn and the zombies want to use this to their advantage.

Ogre is pushing this the hardest.Mad also is pushing for DD so is it a team looking for a good protection rouse? It would work.


This is for Mad I didn't feel like pulling the entire thing so its a CP

Would also be a good reason why DD knows LG is innocent.( mine )

As would I. It concerns me, though, that in post 374 you said that Ogre, Swayde, and I were WAY off base w/ regard to DD. I believe that you said DD had said nothing, up to that point, that made you think that she was anything but innocent....By that point, however, she did come straight out and say that Lady G IS innocent. Just wondering why it's of interest now, and not before? (Mads response)

I took her saying LG IS innocent more as the same way as I'm saying LG is innocent or you would say Ogre is innocent. Its as a belief not as a fact.

But if is in fact a factual IS Innocent then it could only be known by her knowing who is innocent because she is evil.

I'm just trying to put 2 and 2 together but keep ending up with 5.

 

[IceH2O]

My last post leans me more towards the team of Ogre/Mad or Ogre/JL with DD as the expendable turn.

I'm pretty sure DC is an innocent and JL also could be. I just need more assurance from JL.

JL is your accusations solely based on the same reasonings as DCs were? Was it a flawed strategy IYO the only reason for the vote. Have any of my posts not pertaining to you seemed zombie?


At this point though I'd lean more towards JL then Mad but I don't have time to slop through Mads posts.

I'm keeping my vote on JL, mostly because I'd hate to pull off him again and he ends up a zombie. I should get home in plenty of time to switch up if need be.

I'm thinking a lot of info is going to come out today as the zombies push for their candidate.

DD if you were the turn and they are trying to sacrifice you then you might as well come clean on who is on your team. No loyalty from them no loyalty to them I say.

 

[Coler]

Lady G Talking about Mad

And there is no "hidden" meaning or "whispering" here I am FLAT OUT saying I believe you to be ZOMBIE.

Lady G Talking about JL

JL well he is staying at the top of my list I think he is evil pure and simple. I see absolutly nothing about him that make me see differnent. With every post he makes it shows me more and more how evil he seems. He has written things that were flat out untrue and twisted post's and words to seem they mean something they didn't. I see nothing in any of his post that seem to be helping in anyway. If there is someone show me please cause I am NOT seeing it.

Lady G gives a list :

Oh and so others know my list is at this time:

JL
Mad
bkw-something is still unnerving to me about him, and he would of been a good turn victim imo.
Ewurm-his lack of insight doesn't help the town, he isn't post much of anything whn he does post. I believe he would of been a good turn also

^ Note DD goes on to make a case against ewurm later

Lady G again :

I guess I'm just a little confused about how it all works.

^ This kind of posts are scummy to the max

From ewurm :

John's list:

Based on what is posted above, my top three are:

jpappy789
Swayde
IceH2O

These are the last three I would pick. Don't know about Swayde, but Ice is working hard to get a zombie as far as I can tell. Here's my list:

Dangerdoll- Combative and defensive
JL- Suspicious of people I think are helping the town
Ogre- Acting shady

I vote to lynch JL66, AGAIN

^ This is a poorly reasoned list at best.

From Lady G :

Oh and just so you will be happy, I am going to put my vote in...I vote to lynch JL
As always this is subject to change at anytime without prior notice, upon my ever changing suspicions.

^ Vote from Lady G. My comment : ewurm makes Lady G's list, DD makes ewurms list, DD makes a case against ewurm but has not voted yet. The sequence of posts look like they are talking to each other and reacting to the game.

to lynch...

DD (3) by ogre sway mad

ice (1) by jl66

lady (1) by DC

jl66 (4) by ice coler ewurm lady

ewurm (1) by jpap

10 of 12 Townies voting....

currently not voting...DD and bkw....

Nightfall at 8 PM EST tonight...

^ So DD has not voted yet. I would be more comfortable about her if she had a reasoned vote on the board at this time.

A general question:

If I am found to be a zombie, then who are you going to vote for?

My answer is DC and Ogre​

If I am found to be innocent, then who are you going to vote for?

My answer is Ice, Ewurm and Lady G​

^ however...this kind of post reeks of scumdom...it is somewhat surrender play, attempting to refocus/confuse the town on the next day...there is a strong probability on the basis of this post that Ewurm and Lady G are zombies, IF JL nows he will be found to be a zombie...

So...is it conceivable that there is a zombie team of JL, Lady G and ewurm or JL, DD and Lady G, with DD being a turn...my reasoning is not as clear as I would like at this point so I will leave my vote where it is and think further on it. I'll be back on in a couple of hours or so. Also, is it conceivable that the Zombie team is DD, ewurm and Lady G ?

My vote remains on JL for the moment.

 

[Coler]

one further thought...tonight is Night 2 so the mutant comes into play. As I read it he/she has 3 bottles, one of which will kill and two of which will turn. The way I read it this is random and the mutant doesn't know which vials are which but perhaps this could be clarified.

If it is random (the vials) at this point in the game the mutant should target the best zombie candidate they can think of, as it will either be a kill or a turn from zombie to townie.

As a further information gathering exercise I wonder who it is that people would use the vial on tonight, if they were the mutant (N.B. I am NOT saying the mutant should identify themselves, assuming they were not turned last night of course).

My main candidate for mutant to hit with the russian roulette tonight would be DD as I feel she might have been the turn last night...I need to further consider as regards other options/advise

Thoughts ?

 

[Dangerdoll]

I think your accusatory tone towards me and everyone else you have directed your posts toward makes you a candidate for evil. When backed into a corner, a wolf snarls.

typical

Awwww! This has me running in circles. DD is a candidate for evil of mine, and so is Ogre.

again, typical

I just want to say I think you guys are being crazy. What it looks like to me is aside from the bashing on my head cold (didn't realize being top fit was a prerequisite), anything I could have said or anyone I would have chosen, you still would have all deemed me guilty as is evident with my findings on Wurm. I read through, saw a pattern in Ewurms postings, posted my thoughts and still, I am deemed as evil while Ewurm continues to go along, tagging on other people's thoughts, changing words around to make them appear as his own..... but I am accused. Sure, anyone could have come up withthis finding, but no one did but oh well... Townies, I urge you to do what you feel is best and here it goes, the famous "you will be sorry when the night comes if it is I that is chosen".

I vote to lynch

 

[Madcrawdad]

one further thought...tonight is Night 2 so the mutant comes into play. As I read it he/she has 3 bottles, one of which will kill and two of which will turn. The way I read it this is random and the mutant doesn't know which vials are which but perhaps this could be clarified.

If it is random (the vials) at this point in the game the mutant should target the best zombie candidate they can think of, as it will either be a kill or a turn from zombie to townie.

As a further information gathering exercise I wonder who it is that people would use the vial on tonight, if they were the mutant (N.B. I am NOT saying the mutant should identify themselves, assuming they were not turned last night of course).

My main candidate for mutant to hit with the russian roulette tonight would be DD as I feel she might have been the turn last night...I need to further consider as regards other options/advise

Thoughts ?

The mutant has the potental to really confuse the heck out of the town. They'll know folk's status after the injection, (as rb will report that evil has been turned good, or good has been turned evil,...or will he just say that someone's status has changed?) but nobody else will. If the town is zeroing in on a zombie who gets turned innocent, and later lynched as innocent at some point, the zombies will have a field day hanging out the innocent townies who voted for the 're-turned' zombie.

Unfortunately, regardless of who the vials are used on, confusion will be caused....it would be nice if the mutant could look for the player who seems to be helping the town least, and then hit the same person with the vials on each night. One changes them, another changes them back, the third kills them. Done.

There's all kinds of problems though...the first injection could be the one that kills the recipient immediately, and then the plan won't work. Or the mutant could be killed (or worse, turned) in the middle of the injection sequence which cause all kinds of problems. Or the recipient of the shots could be turned (by the zombies) during the injection sequence...problems again.

At this point, I can't even hazard a guess as to who would be the best recipient of the injections. There's so many variables this game (and we haven't even gotten to the green slime), that no matter who gets the shots, confusion is sure to follow, unless the mutant plays out in the open, which is really not an option.

 

[Dangerdoll]

*sigh* forgot to follow my lynch through... must be a sign (sarcastic)

I vote to lynch ewurm

 

[OgreMkV]

Thats fine I'm not on that boat so why would I consider LG? My suspicion of DC was his failure to understand why taking out Charlie was a good move. His post in 415 made me trust him a little more. He and I just didn't agree on strategy. I answered him in 419. I didn't have a strong feeling on DC other than that and even pulled off him yesterday morning.His posts have become more town helping. Not that they weren't before, I just didn't see it in the same light as I do now.

This makes me rethink JL also as he is also on me because of taking out a player going home. But his posts have been more biting. I don't know if he is actually evil or is so convinced I am that he is going after me this hard.It could have just been he saw an opening caused by DC and grabbed a hold.

I think DD is evil, I think that knowing that the zombies have a quick window to end the game that they are willing to throw someone out there to make themselves look good.

Is DD the turn that is now expendable? I don't know. I'm all turned around at this point. I see 3 "teams" if you will. JL/DC ,Ice/LG, Ogre/ Mad. I haven't really seen much from Mad to tweak my radar but I wasn't exactly looking that way. I've been to focused on 1 group.

I disagree with the three teams... I see one group of three that is potentially a team. Then I see a group of three with similar thoughts that are not acting in such a coordinated fashion.

DC hasn't been on any of those groupings (at least for me).

Curious how you were pushing for DC and now that no one is falling for it, you switch to a more conciliatory opinion of him.

The only ones I have agreed with on that list regularly is LG. I don't see where DD and I agreed on anything. I was basing her innocence on not attacking me as usual because of my post that could have been taken as killing off the power roles, which I better explained after night fall.

You were basing both of their innocence on not attacking you as I recall.

Like I said I think DD could in fact be evil based on her ewurm vote and the fact that I believe JL is already on me so there was no reason to jump me. Unless its also because you wanted to be the one so it didn't look so obvious.

Sounds like you're the one hanging DD out.

My groupings of players are different then yours so why would I agree with it? That makes no sense.

When did I ask you to agree with it. I said it seemed obvious. I think it is at this point.

I do agree that DC looks less zombie but you look more zombie. You can group me with LG that I can see. But I don't see the grouping on me and DD.

What's the hangup with DC. I haven't been talking about him at all. You and DD were very buddy buddy up until just recently. I'd have to check, but it seems like about the time we started pushing for DD is the time you switched from her innocence to her being evil.

I still don't have a good feel for the game just yet. It actually took me dying in BB before it all clicked together. Lynch me instead and hopefully the green slime brings me back with revelations to unfold again lol.

"I'm so confused" lol

So let me ask this Ogre. If I'm lynched tonight and found innocent that automatically clears DD? You're saying if she is evil I am so I'm assuming this is what you mean.

It was never about you being lynched. Another red herring. I am waaaaaay more confident about DD than you. However, if DD is evil, then I'm thinking LadyG is next with you being a good candidate for the mutant serum.

I myself think after looking over the posts and finger pointing. Trying to get a train started that DD was the turn and the zombies want to use this to their advantage.

I think I agree with that. They want to suddenly switch their opinion of her to evil so that when she is exposed, they will look innocent.

Ogre is pushing this the hardest.Mad also is pushing for DD so is it a team looking for a good protection rouse? It would work.

Yes I am. I'll take the heat if she's innocent.

This is for Mad I didn't feel like pulling the entire thing so its a CP

Would also be a good reason why DD knows LG is innocent.( mine )

As would I. It concerns me, though, that in post 374 you said that Ogre, Swayde, and I were WAY off base w/ regard to DD. I believe that you said DD had said nothing, up to that point, that made you think that she was anything but innocent....By that point, however, she did come straight out and say that Lady G IS innocent. Just wondering why it's of interest now, and not before? (Mads response)

I took her saying LG IS innocent more as the same way as I'm saying LG is innocent or you would say Ogre is innocent. Its as a belief not as a fact.

But if is in fact a factual IS Innocent then it could only be known by her knowing who is innocent because she is evil.

I'm just trying to put 2 and 2 together but keep ending up with 5.

Funny, I'm adding 2 and 3 together and getting two townies and three zombies.

My last post leans me more towards the team of Ogre/Mad or Ogre/JL with DD as the expendable turn.

This is new.

I'm pretty sure DC is an innocent and JL also could be. I just need more assurance from JL.

One post later and DC is innocent. One Paragraph later, JL could be innocent.

JL is your accusations solely based on the same reasonings as DCs were? Was it a flawed strategy IYO the only reason for the vote. Have any of my posts not pertaining to you seemed zombie?


At this point though I'd lean more towards JL then Mad but I don't have time to slop through Mads posts.

I'm keeping my vote on JL, mostly because I'd hate to pull off him again and he ends up a zombie. I should get home in plenty of time to switch up if need be.

I'm thinking a lot of info is going to come out today as the zombies push for their candidate.

Oh, I agree.

DD if you were the turn and they are trying to sacrifice you then you might as well come clean on who is on your team. No loyalty from them no loyalty to them I say.

Why should she come out only if she were the turn? That makes no sense.

I think Ice is throwing up as many red herrings as possible. This just doesn't seem his style to me. There's some fairly obvious post twisting in these two posts.

More and more and more, I think I've found some undead fiends.

 

[johnlarson66]

My last post leans me more towards the team of Ogre/Mad or Ogre/JL with DD as the expendable turn.

I'm pretty sure DC is an innocent and JL also could be. I just need more assurance from JL.

JL is your accusations solely based on the same reasonings as DCs were? Was it a flawed strategy IYO the only reason for the vote. Have any of my posts not pertaining to you seemed zombie?


At this point though I'd lean more towards JL then Mad but I don't have time to slop through Mads posts.

I'm keeping my vote on JL, mostly because I'd hate to pull off him again and he ends up a zombie. I should get home in plenty of time to switch up if need be.

I'm thinking a lot of info is going to come out today as the zombies push for their candidate.

DD if you were the turn and they are trying to sacrifice you then you might as well come clean on who is on your team. No loyalty from them no loyalty to them I say.

Ice, here is more confusion on your part.

The main reason I am on you is: You were the vote that saved me (an 11th hour switch), but you think I am a zombie. If you think I am a zombie then why did you not lynch me?

You did not lynch me because you KNOW I am not a zombie. You did not want that held against you later. You did not want part of lynching another innocent. That was your reason for switching.

 

[johnlarson66]

^ however...this kind of post reeks of scumdom...it is somewhat surrender play, attempting to refocus/confuse the town on the next day...there is a strong probability on the basis of this post that Ewurm and Lady G are zombies, IF JL nows he will be found to be a zombie...

So...is it conceivable that there is a zombie team of JL, Lady G and ewurm or JL, DD and Lady G, with DD being a turn...my reasoning is not as clear as I would like at this point so I will leave my vote where it is and think further on it. I'll be back on in a couple of hours or so. Also, is it conceivable that the Zombie team is DD, ewurm and Lady G ?

My vote remains on JL for the moment.

Coler, most of my posts reek of scumdom, but this is in no way a surrender play. For the record, I thought I was already gone, so this is like borrowed time.

From what you have posted, you have Lady G on every option of zombies.

I vote to lynch Lady G

She is high on my list. My focus on Ice has proved to be non-productive and no one seems to be as concerned as I am about his late switch. I would also go with a vote on ewurm or DD. I have a hunch about ewurm, but he is still fairly new, so it is hard to read him. DD is always a good suspect and her wild claim is odd for her.

I would be okay with lynching any of them.