Zombies -- Mafia #11

[IceH2O]

The main thing that seems to help JLs case is that LadyG is now defending Ice. That makes almost no sense whether both are zombies or both innocents.

There are few votes for Ice, way more for JL at this point. So why defend Ice, the main group on JL is LadyG, Ice and DD.

More and more this seems to be a coordinated effort.

It's just hard to believe that the zombies would play this obviously.

I'm losing my mind.

Am I missing votes?

I have JL at 3 Ice Coler and Ewurm

Me at 1 JL

DD at 2 Ogre Sway

Lady at 1 DC

 

[IceH2O]

okay I see LGs vote in post 400. Hitting new posts skipped me to the next page.

 

[OgreMkV]

Question: If we lynch JL, does that help us determine other zombies.

I'm pretty comfortable with the fact that if we lynch DD and she's zombie, then LadyG and Ice are very good next day lynch choices.

DC, you've been watching... thoughts?

 

[Lady G]

The main thing that seems to help JLs case is that LadyG is now defending Ice. That makes almost no sense whether both are zombies or both innocents.

There are few votes for Ice, way more for JL at this point. So why defend Ice, the main group on JL is LadyG, Ice and DD.

More and more this seems to be a coordinated effort.

It's just hard to believe that the zombies would play this obviously.

I'm losing my mind.

Yes Ogre you are loosing your mind LOL! Anyway..I believe (not that it matters really) I had my own case on JL, nothing to do with Ice. I wasn't "defending" ice..I was using JL's own words against him, he said "I do not see how this post even helps you. If anything it makes things worse." Well in my eyes it made things worse for JL, I added my comments to JL's comments. Geesh guy's let me get this straight...if I agree with someone I shouldn't say anything??? You know I believe JL to be zombie the things in that post made me believe even more, so YES I said to him what I thought about what he said..and this means I am "defending" someone. And NO if I was evil I would NOT be so obvious, not even close.

 

[DeputyChiefJR]

I wouldn't pull off DD so fast.

Her post on Ewurm seems to convenient. Its a (I'm going to use that word lol ) weak case at best. An easy target to make her look townie until the vote came down. Not necessarily a lynch vote getter as we're all wrong about someone but it does its job. Leaves us down a townie.

I don't think Ewurm is evil, it doesn't feel like it, yet.

As I read Ogres post and thought about it its true that just because they didn't attack me doesn't make them innocent. But I believe LG is innocent and the reason DD didn't attack me is the fact that JL and DC are already on me. No reason to throw number 3 and have them all looked at. Thats why DC vote is on LG but throwing accusations my way.

Would also be a good reason why DD knows LG is innocent.

My revised zombie list is

JL
DC
DD

I wasn't on you, I just wanted to know why we were so all out not to waste votes on the game where we were innocents together and now we're looking to vote for people who won't be here after the night. I see your probability scale and it makes sense. I'm just confused by it because every night we don't vote for a zombie means another night we lose a townie and have to work harder for another day. With this theory in mind after about 6 days we'll have six zombies, some who will be extrememly hard to figure out. We also have green slime to worry about and a mutant with vials that can add even more confusion...I just happened to like the idea of going after zombies as early as possible. Our theories on how to win this just happen to be different. You'd rather let players slip away to the other team, secretly, whereas if I'm going to lose players I'd rather have no chance of them turning on us and helping the zombies win. After some of the stuff that happened in BioBadlands that allowed them to win, I get leary of the effects of random variables that will come up down the road when the zombies have built a hefty team. I'd like som discussion about that to clear up how we plan to deal with that.

 

[IceH2O]

Question: If we lynch JL, does that help us determine other zombies.

I'm pretty comfortable with the fact that if we lynch DD and she's zombie, then LadyG and Ice are very good next day lynch choices.

DC, you've been watching... thoughts?

Sure it gives us a lynch of DC for the next day and then we need to find who was turned. Well maybe 2 because they could get another turn.

Are you telling me that none of the evidence presented on JL or DC makes you suspicious of them?

Are you the turn? I hope not because up until that post you were making good sense.

 

[DeputyChiefJR]

Sure it gives us a lynch of DC for the next day and then we need to find who was turned. Well maybe 2 because they could get another turn.

Are you telling me that none of the evidence presented on JL or DC makes you suspicious of them?

Are you the turn? I hope not because up until that post you were making good sense.

You're making a huge blunder, but you'll learn that in time, but I can't convince you guys of anything and it'll all be blown over as an "Oops, I guess I just read him wrong..."

 

[Swayde]

I wasn't on you, I just wanted to know why we were so all out not to waste votes on the game where we were innocents together and now we're looking to vote for people who won't be here after the night. I see your probability scale and it makes sense. I'm just confused by it because every night we don't vote for a zombie means another night we lose a townie and have to work harder for another day. With this theory in mind after about 6 days we'll have six zombies, some who will be extrememly hard to figure out. We also have green slime to worry about and a mutant with vials that can add even more confusion...I just happened to like the idea of going after zombies as early as possible. Our theories on how to win this just happen to be different. You'd rather let players slip away to the other team, secretly, whereas if I'm going to lose players I'd rather have no chance of them turning on us and helping the zombies win. After some of the stuff that happened in BioBadlands that allowed them to win, I get leary of the effects of random variables that will come up down the road when the zombies have built a hefty team. I'd like som discussion about that to clear up how we plan to deal with that.

Remember DC that the turns are only guaranteed on the first two nights. Starting on the 3rd night the doctor and bodyguard can step in and start protecting folks and the chance of a turn becomes 50% for the zombies with a 50% chance they kill the victim. So no, after 6 nights it's not likely that there would be 6 new zombies.

 

[IceH2O]

I wasn't on you, I just wanted to know why we were so all out not to waste votes on the game where we were innocents together and now we're looking to vote for people who won't be here after the night. I see your probability scale and it makes sense. I'm just confused by it because every night we don't vote for a zombie means another night we lose a townie and have to work harder for another day. With this theory in mind after about 6 days we'll have six zombies, some who will be extrememly hard to figure out. We also have green slime to worry about and a mutant with vials that can add even more confusion...I just happened to like the idea of going after zombies as early as possible. Our theories on how to win this just happen to be different. You'd rather let players slip away to the other team, secretly, whereas if I'm going to lose players I'd rather have no chance of them turning on us and helping the zombies win. After some of the stuff that happened in BioBadlands that allowed them to win, I get leary of the effects of random variables that will come up down the road when the zombies have built a hefty team. I'd like som discussion about that to clear up how we plan to deal with that.

I see your point. But they won't get a turn every night. They only have a 50/50 chance from Day 3 on. I posted above that maybe 2 but I was thinking a day ahead so there will be 2 turned.

The mutant takes out 1 and changes 2, I don't really like that unless we know for sure we are getting 2 evils to good but its something we need to work on. Remember last game once they got some numbers how easy it was for us to pick them out? The only reason we lost was because you were killed off by the lab worker. Losing 2 power roles in one night lost us the game, they didn't beat us.

People don't just slip to the other team. If they were players hard on the zombies tails then all of a sudden change their tune and start protecting them its a give away. We just need to watch the posting.

 

[Lady G]

I'm not speaking for Ogre or Coler, but folks need to think about how zombies might try to distance themselves in the game. A contrived argument on Day 1 doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Two zombies arguing on Day 1 means nothing on Day 2. As townies may be turned nightly, distancing effects from any argument don't carry over from day to day. Two zombies would need to argue every day for the distancing to likely have any effect.

OMG it looks like you are defending Orge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which actually brings me to my next post:
I can not pull up the post to respond so I will have to copy, paste because what I want to respond to is in the quote itself so it doesnt show up anyway it is from post #399 from Mad..

This is him:
How can I be looking for things that aren't there? 3 times this game you have 'floated' my name out there as being scum in the last game, and 2 of those times you mention how you had me leaning innocent last game and DD leaning toward scum ...If you only meant to say that your 'scumdar' was off last game then say that. Otherwise it sure looks to me like you're needlessly bringing my name up (along with the fact I fooled you last game). Like I said earlier, these 'extra tidbits' keep coming up when you claim that you really mean something else.

Ok, again I guess I can see where you would possible THINK that, I am sorry I didn't mean for it to look that way, I just was trying to prove my point about why I may change my mind OK, now IF I thought you were zombie at that point....do I seem like the kind of person who would not of come out and said I THINK MAD MAY BE ZOMBIE??? No, I do not "float" my ideas I say them flat out, sometimes it makes ppl think I am evil...I can't help that, if I get lynched for speaking my thoughts so be it, in the end my post's may help once I am gone...I just wanted to make that clear...I do not lay low, I do not insinuate, I flat out say what I think be it good or bad. Yes, I may through something out there like my post (ask a question, get an answer), but when it comes to who I feel evil or not, I am not quiet about it.

Then for the next part of that post:
This is Mad:
What a surprise. Then I'll be expecting your vote? Interesting that you're trying to replace DC now. You built a case against him earlier on Day 2, did he even respond before you dropped him off your list?
I didn't say you were my #1 suspect and I didn't say I would be voting you, I said you are now on my list. Because of your responses, not because you have accused me. Anyway what I found to be interesting that you mention I said I was looking for a replacement for DC..when in fact I said I was looking for a replacement for ORGE or DC...and I built a case against Orge also, why leave Orge's name off that?