Zombies -- Mafia #11

I want to clarify...

This could only happen if the mutant was changed the 1st night. Because they don't know who will be turned, with the mutant they have a better chance.

I do think the mutant is the turn of the 1st night. Why else hit Ogre? They wanted him on their team, luckily he was killed instead otherwise they would have had 2 investigations per night. They would also know the DR right away.I am a little worried about voting for LG. Her post about lynching her can be a true statement or lie to make us think its true. Pretty obvious huh? But what would it have bought them if she was lynched as an evil? It would have just solidified DD as evil.



I'm going to have to think about it some more, glad we still have 48 hr days.

For now I keep my vote as is.

Ice, this post is interesting...

Why would you assume that the mutant had been turned because they hit Ogre? I think it was Coler who mentioned that the mutant should hit their strongest zombie target....whether they were good or evil they chose Ogre.

You voted to lynch (kill) Ogre last night. Why is the mutant necessarily evil, as they did through an injection what you wanted to do with the lynch? We're to believe that your suspicion of Ogre was an honest mistake, but anyone else who thought so was evil?
 
glad to see you around mad

I won't be on again until tomorrow - hope to be more active on the thread. I want to keep my thoughts to myself until then though.
 
Mad has been VERY quiet lately. Just thought that worth mentioning.

quiet = japp, mad, ewurm, DC...particularly mad & japp

Good case there Mad. You picked out pretty much all the little things that have been nagging me about LG for awhile and what had caused me to agree with Ogre's assertations that DD/LG and possibly Ice were the 3 zombies.

What are your thoughts on Bkw? What are your thoughts on the rest of the players still left in the game?

Sorry guys, but unfortunately real life sometimes does interfere with the game. Wednesdays and Fridays are my worst days, but I should be back...

With regard to BKW, it's impossible to read him as he's not posting. He does manage to get his vote in to keep himself alive...

Extreme lurkers always present problems, as you can't tell if they're actually scum or just bad townies. BKW lurks every game, and gets by....when he's bad he looks like a good player, when he's innocent he looks like a bad townie.

I will agree that it looks like he started off gung-ho, so his disappearance looks unusual.

Hopefully I'll have thoughts on some other players a little bit later this afternoon.
 
Let's go for the hat-trick, I said it before and I'll say it again

I vote to lynch Lady G.


Isn't a hat trick something to do with 3 in hockey terms? How would Lady G being lynched make it a hat trick? We've only nailed 1 zombie so far, however, we've lost several townies.

Still curious about who else DC suspects and why. His vote just seems like taking the easy way out and I don't like the looks of that. Of course Coler and Ice both put out quick votes too, but they've at least posted since then and both retracted their votes.

I keep rereading posts and my head feels like it's spinning. I like Bkw as the lead zombie, especially with the way RB made it very clear that the roles were random. If it ended up being Bkw, it would be a hilarious twist since he was the doctor in the Biological Badlands and it truly would be quite a coincidence if he's the lead zombie now, so much so that it would be worth pointing out how completely random everything is.

No clue who was turned last night. Ogre was pretty sure that Coler or Ice was the turn victim from night 2. It makes it hard since they both voted for Ogre. They both have moments of seeming to be townies, and seeming to be evil. I wouldn't feel comfortable alone with either two, but I don't feel confident to lynch either one neither.

I'm still having a hard time bringing myself to point fingers at JL/LG, both have some shadiness about them, but I do know it's pretty easy to make someone look evil when they really aren't. It happens all the time in every game I've been in. I've seen too many times where 2 townies end up battling it out for multiple days thinking the other is evil.

If Ewurm is a zombie I believe he would have had to be turned last night. I don't believe DD would have built a case against a fellow zombie when there was so many more townies to choose from and Ewurm was a fairly easy target.
 
So here is a scaled list:


lady g - 2
ewurm - 2
bkw - 3
jl66 - 5
coler - 6
Ice - 6
Deputy - 6
Mad - 6
jpap - 7
sway - 7

There is my latest scaled list. I always put myself at 5. The only time I have ever put myself as a 10 is when I have been confirmed as an innocent from someone that could investigate.
 
I just realized I'd asked JL to post a recent listing of his suspects in post #680. I somehow missed the fact that he did. No clue how, I've been rereading posts all day. I guess I should take a break for awhile.
 
There is my latest scaled list. I always put myself at 5. The only time I have ever put myself as a 10 is when I have been confirmed as an innocent from someone that could investigate.


Wow timing, you say that as I was posting how I realized the mistake I'd made.
 
So here is a scaled list:


lady g - 2
ewurm - 2
bkw - 3
jl66 - 5
coler - 6
Ice - 6
Deputy - 6
Mad - 6
jpap - 7
sway - 7
There is my latest scaled list. I always put myself at 5. The only time I have ever put myself as a 10 is when I have been confirmed as an innocent from someone that could investigate.

How can you possibly put me at 2? DD was on me from the beginning, and I voted for her and helped kill a zombie.
 
After getting caught up, my top two suspects are bkw and ewurm, mostly for both being quiet, which is a crappy reason for both but it's all I got. Bkw is my choice for zombie czar but could have been the first night turn and his quick vote with no explanation and no other thoughts last night has me concerned. And ewurm would be an excellent choice for a turn last night, even though the zombies didn't know exactly who they would get, if they did get lucky, the fact that DD made a case against him would possibly clear him in some people's minds which he is trying to convince people of...just my thoughts. Otherwise I see DC as a possible candidate for a zombie. Some thoughts below...

I vote to lynch Lady G.Because she's fooled me far too long

First vote for Lady G. Not solid enough reasoning imo, but I will let it slide for night 1.

Note to self: Getting freaky in Lady G's room could be hazardaous to your health.

I just found this amusing, yet scary...:lipssealedsmilie:

LG, I put your name out there to see how you'd react. I found it odd that since then you've been kind of bouncing around making some contradictory posts, as Ice has mentioned. You've also been defensive in a stand-offish way. I dunno if you're just scouting the field but you make it hard to tell who you're with or against. Due to this fact and your ability to play a convincing good guy while being a villain, I now feel comfortable leaving my vote on you.

Said he threw LG's name out there to get a reaction, but notice that he bascially copies other people's ideas, but says he doesn't know what lg's game plan is...what it boils down to imo is DC wasn't sure of his read on lg but decided to keep the vote anyways because he somehow felt comfortable...because she plays convincingly...:confused:

I tried to convince the town to go after someone who was talking...Everyone said I was so wrong and that we'd be better off after this vote. For all we know they could ahve the seer or the hunter now and all we did was eliminate an innocent who hadn't said a word...I get tired of these post count votes or the ones on people who haven't shown up. Some of the best players are evil and know how to tlk it up like everyone else....I want to try and lynch someone evil this next night....

DC's reaction to me, Ice, and swayde for his comments about lynching Chas. Now I'm going to drop that whole argument because what is done is done, but one part really jumped out at me then and I think it is worth mentioning again now...from what I can tell, DC never made a case against lg (although it was night 1 at the time) or even considered anyone else. He also never tried to convince anyone else, just voted because of his own thoughts...

I vote to lynch Lady G. I still think she's evil.

Still focuses on Lady G. Note that this is a very early vote "yesterday"

I'm gonna trust you on this, but if the mutant kills the bodyguard or the sheriff I'm gonna get a bit peeved. Right now I do have a list, I'm sure no one's gonna put any stock in it but it's just impressions I've gotten over the game:

I thought this was rather...odd

Lady G - I'm still quite bothered about her. She seems to be investigative, but manipulative of the game at the same time. There's a lot of moments where it seems like she feels we should believe what she's saying without question.

Here DC backs away from the more obvious choices for suspecting Lg. And quite frankly, I don't understand his argument at all...

BKW - Quiet, usually is. This played out EXTREMELY well for him when he was the doc, even though he came after a few people strongly that game.

DD - Was definite that Lady G was innocent. Even she's too smart to make a blunder like that and then backpedals saying she has a headcold or something.Though some team-ups aren't bad in this game EVERYONE knows not to say you're definite on anyone's innocence.

Says that even DD is too smart to slip that Lg is her teamate yet still suspects both of them?

Jpappy - No definite evidence but give the appearance of going through the steps to "look" innocent. Pops up, gives some lists with no major explanations, pokes a few people and then becomes busy when questions are asked. By the time he comes back people have overlooked what was said.

Ewurm - Cryptic, but always is.

Thoughts on this post above in blue

Let's go for the hat-trick, I said it before and I'll say it again

I vote to lynch Lady G.

Pops in for a vote yet no real explanation except for the fact that he believes he nailed lg off the bat.

EXCUSE ME? I believe I made this decision like a big boy all by myself, Just because I've been onto you from the start doesn't mean I haven't been following. I've made a list, checked it twice and you get coal, young lady, not brains....

Get's questioned by Lady G. He's right that he hasn't followed any votes but he only stated one reason OF HIS OWN, about why he should vote for lg, and that was on night one (posted above).

At first it was just a vibe, then there was the defensive patterns as soon as light even went her way in a serious manner. Then she and DD were best buddies, now she denies it like DD was radioactive. Her list changes once every few hours meaning either she can't get a consistent read on people (not likely for such an experienced player) or she's trying to create confusion. (A mafia tactic that I've used a few times in the past.)

One mafia tactic that I used in the past, that actually worked well, was zeroing in on one person for the entire game.

Now I'm not saying that DC is a zombie on my list and I would definitely not be comfortable voting for him unless something else more convincing came up, but he is definitely one person I am really considering. Possibly he threw out lg's name at first to see if she would get defensive (which she did) and also see who else latched on to the idea. If lg actually turned up innocent, which I am starting to suspect, he could just say that he misread her the entire time and move on to someone else. I also found it odd that once others started considering lg as a zombie he stopped giving out any other names as suspects what-so-ever...
 
I thought day one was suppose to be the hardest for gathering info?? Wow I wish more would post.
Well, I have seen nothing yet to make me change my mind. I still have JL as my #1, I see no way around it myself, IF he is innocent I will be completly surprised as he is playing the worst innocent I have seen. Go back read through his posts then tell me he isn't contidictory to say the least.

The only thing I would change at this point is MAYBE Bkw/DC. I've gone back and forth in my head with DC and there are only 3 zombie right now..right, so IF he is the only one I would switch him up with is Bkw. Because I am almost 100% on JL, Mad I'd say I'm at a 85%, Bkw well he is one that is hard to tell for sure, I just keep thinking about when we were evil together..this is exactly what he did, he didn't post much at all (the time he was Doc), in the end we won and everyone was sooo surprised that he was Doc, and it was all because he was evil. Now just b/c he was the evil Doc one game does NOT in any way mean he is..my point is he IS playing the same.
But then we have DC that really doesn't say anything except he thinks I'm evil and thats about it. I thought him in the begining and will have to go back and look at things before I say much more about him...but I do know that when Ice said he kinda thought maybe DC just wasn't getting it how the first day had to be different. It did make since to me, after I thought about it and I decided that must of been it. Now I'm not so sure.

Anyone else, thoughts on BKW and DC?
Personaly I think we should go for JL, obviously we NEED/HAVE to take out another zombie he is the most likely IMO.
 
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