Zombies -- Mafia #11

didn't think I voted for Lady G - I may have said she was a very legitimate suspect.

I'm a touch busy but will be trying to get some posts in today.

In the meantime, if you think I'm evil then go for it, vote for me. You'd be wrong, and I don't think anyone can make a proper case out against me, notwithstanding that I voted for Ogre; he looked evil to me from the get go, as did DD. Ice began to look innocent to me on day 2 - very much not sure about him now. I related his innocence somewhat back to JL and now I wonder if the easy answer is in fact the right one - that Ice jumped off JL on day one because he had to, because JL was zombie czar.
Coler, not only did you find Ogre suspicious, it does look like you were trying to link him to DD. Also, I've seen that you play the game at mafiascum.net....I'm sure that you've learned there, that votehopping is a scumtell. You had some really odd vote changes on Day 2.

JL was parked on Ice all day...as soon as he pulled off of Ice, you immediately hopped on Ice. JL questioned you, you hopped back on him a few posts later. At one point you ask Ice for advice and end up on Ogre. Then when Ogre ends up dead you immediately vote for Ice.


We have to remember folks, those of you that are voting for Lady G that DD, a known zombie said "I know Lady G is innocent". I think DD was sucking Lady G in...I read rb's elimination post as saying that DD was an original vampire and not a turn and therefore you have to look on almost everything she said as garbage, and certainly laden with an agenda. I am not comfortable voting for Lady G at this time.
Yes, I am also rethinking my position on LG, at least for the time being. I think that someone pointed out (maybe LG?) that after DD was outed that she once again tried to link herself to LG by defending LG....this doesn't make much sense for DD to do at that time. It would have made more sense for her to just keep quiet about her team mates.

As I type I am beginning to consider offering the town a straight shoot-out of me versus ice. Of course, if we are both innocent that's a bit of a disaster, losing one of us to a lynch but as I say I am very doubtful about ice. The only reason I am not currently voting for Ice is because I have not decided that he is in fact the best subject.

responses above in blue
 
to lynch....

lady (2) by mad 674 DC 631

bkw (2) by jl66 713 ewurm 650

DC (1) by sway 692

jl66 (1) by lady 637

coler (1) by ice 726

7 of 10 Townies voting...

currently no votes from: jpap, coler, bkw...

Nightfall at 8 PM EST, tonight....

Folks, it looks like once again that we are spread all over the place on the vote. As Swayde pointed out, it's REALLY important that we hit a zombie tonight. I think we need to focus the list a little a little more.

I'm willing to move my vote. At this point, I still need to consider where, though.

unvote Lady G
 
I am willing to vote on either Bkw or DC....I do not believe JL or LG are zombies unless turned night 2. I also don't think Ewurm is a zombie unless turned night 2. I believe Mad and Jpappy to be innocent. I think Ice and Coler were being played against each other (with Ogre thrown in as well) and both are innocent, unless one was turned night 2. My vote is based on Day 1/Day 2 behaviour. I am still undecided on who could possibly be turned from Night 2.
 
It seems to be a good strategy for evil. All you are doing is focusing on 1 person the entire game. You aren't being very helpful to the town by offering much in the way of opinion on any one else. You are doing a lot of I told you so type posts and you'll be sorry if you vote me posts. Care to explain in what way this strategy is supposed to be successful? If you are actually a townie, you are making it very tough to tell and that alone makes it a crappy townie strategy.

Apparently you don't read so often, but I offerred up 4 people who I thought were evil. I still stand by that list. If you think I'm evil because I don't make a new list every 5 minutes then you have a warped perception on playing this game. We all have different styles of play, just because someone doesn't have your style doesn't make them evil.
 
I am willing to vote on either Bkw or DC....I do not believe JL or LG are zombies unless turned night 2. I also don't think Ewurm is a zombie unless turned night 2. I believe Mad and Jpappy to be innocent. I think Ice and Coler were being played against each other (with Ogre thrown in as well) and both are innocent, unless one was turned night 2. My vote is based on Day 1/Day 2 behaviour. I am still undecided on who could possibly be turned from Night 2.

Regardless of who the candidates are this evening, it's important that they at least defend themselves. It seems like eveyone has gotten pretty complacent with the old 'Go ahead and lynch me then, you'll be sorry...' defense. This really borders on anti-town, as an easy surrender doesn't help the town make a decision.

It's getting to be lynch correctly or lose....if you're an innocent, and it looks like you could be lynched, at least say something helpful (ie, what you've done, why it doesn't make sense that you're scum, etc.).
 
Regardless of who the candidates are this evening, it's important that they at least defend themselves. It seems like eveyone has gotten pretty complacent with the old 'Go ahead and lynch me then, you'll be sorry...' defense. This really borders on anti-town, as an easy surrender doesn't help the town make a decision.

It's getting to be lynch correctly or lose....if you're an innocent, and it looks like you could be lynched, at least say something helpful (ie, what you've done, why it doesn't make sense that you're scum, etc.).

I guess I agree with your logic, but naming achievements hasn't done much more for people than the "you'll be sorry" routine. Often the achievements get twisted against the person and the lynch-train comes anyway.
 
I'm willing to consider ice, JL, swayde...also Mad for lynching.

I wouldn't be as happy to vote for Lady G at this time because of DD being a zombie, however there is a possibility she was turned since.

bkw, ewurm, DC and jpappy are in my opinion poorer candidates at this time - because there is less material out there on them. Unfortunately if one of them/three of them are zombies they have stayed off the radar. In a tight situation (I havn't worked out if this is lynch or lose - I think it is depending on turns ?) it is therefore difficult to be sure enough about them.

I can see an argument that ice, JL and swayde are zombies. I stress that what I mean by this is that it is plausible. No more than that.

@mad - I played a few posts in one newbie game on mafiascum.net - dropped out; wasn't moving quickly enough. Its a totally different game over there in many ways in my opinion. Not least the voting system alone - I don't accept that changing votes mean the same in this game as over there; I'm interested in what you think about this.
 
what I am saying above in case its not clear is that to lynch bkw, ewurm, dchief, jappy I need to be convinced by a good case made out on foot of their posts - I can already see that the others I name have a case to answer.
 
Ok guys, I am willing to retract my vote on JL, against my better judgement (still say he is #1evil) for the better of the town. I want to get a zombie tonight and we wont accomplish anything if everyone votes someone different. Of coarse I would prefer others join me against JL as he IS the one I am most comfortable with.
My last post doesn't really make "feel" coler is for sure Zombie, just some thoughts on things. And wanted to know what others felt. I will be off and on alot today and just wanted to at least get this post out.
I guess I would be comfortable with DC, Bkw, poss. coler (less comfortable about that as of right now though). I leave my vote open at this time, and will most likely talk about JL some more to see if anyone would be willing to switch.


^ vote count above - as per RB plus my vote = 12 of 12 cast

I like Ogres other two suspects btw...and I am now between Ogre and Ice myself for a third.

Coler this is the part I don't understand (in red), are you saying it is a choice between yourself, Ogre and Ice as evil?? That is how it reads to me, that is why I found it odd
 
Coler this is the part I don't understand (in red), are you saying it is a choice between yourself, Ogre and Ice as evil?? That is how it reads to me, that is why I found it odd

No. I am saying that a) I also suspect who Ogre suspected and that b) I myself am torn between Ogre and Ice for a third suspect. I wasn't putting myself forward as a third suspect if that's what you thought.
 
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