Zombies -- Mafia #11

I'll agree that their game is a slightly different animal (mainly due to the incremental voting). The main principle, however, is essentially the same....scum wants to blend in and not get caught. I think that some scumtells are probably transferable between games.

Granted, it would take a fewer number of vote changes over there to constitute votehopping. On day 2, however, you votehopped on a grand scale.

IMO, with votehopping:

- The player appears confused (either legitimately, or playing the 'confused card').
- It leaves a murky trail of a player's true thoughts/votes
- Allows scum to be opportunistic

Keep in mind that even the better scumtells only raise a flag that a player 'might' be scum, so they should only be used in conjunction with other information.

Is the fact that you tried to link Ogre w/ DD on Day 2 coincidence? Possibly... Does it look suspicious? Definitely.

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BTW, I'm interested in hearing this case that you've said I have to answer for...

Mad, you know I may be a fool here..but you seem to make sense. The main thing I am worried about is that you, dear are a very good player and apparently play at this other "mafia" site..maybe you are good at deceiving ppl. I do not like the way he switched votes so often on day 2 either. Yes, I mentioned many names, mentioning is one thing it means they have done something to peek your interest and you are going to look more into them, but VOTING is quite another thing it straight up says I believe this person is evil, when you pop on one person then come off w/o reason and pop onto another person over and over all you do is cause confusion. I believe this is a good "evil" stratigy. I also do not like how he will say "I'll keep my thoughts to myself..not very "pro"town.
Then we have DC, who picks one person doesn't really come up with a case of his own. Just pretty much post others thoughts, then say's he is trying to be like someone else is why...seem's odd to me IMO.
I still do not like the way BKW has played either though, the way he is playing is complete evil I think also.
But Mad I have a very hard time coming off of JL, this is driving me nuts. I know there can't be 4 Zombie at this time so I obviously at least one of these ppl are innocent.
I need some more thoughts from others, what it the vote tally at this time?? I'm going to go back and see where we are at right now.
 
Votes so far are on...

2 for Bkw by Ewurm and JL
1 for LG by DC
1 for Coler by Ice
1 for DC by Swayde

No votes from Bkw, Coler, Jpappy, LG and Mad

About 5 hours until Nightfall.
 
I'm just not sure who I want to lay my vote on, Coler is looking better and better to me but I'm not sure enough to actually vote him yet.
Dc and bkw seem better choices at the moment. I'm just not sure. I'm going to look a little more and vote soon, but I have to get my kids from school quick and I'll be back on.
 
You know what I'm going to vote to lynch BKW This is definatly subject to change at any time. But just in case something happens and I can't make it back then I will have that vote in...if it looks someone else a better choice I'm sure the town will do it.
 
I am torn between those 3 as well. I'd like to know where Jpappy and Mad are going before I make a final commitment since those are the 2 people I most trust right now, and I really hope I am not wrong about them.
 
First off, it sure seems there should be more people posting. The lack of particaption has me concerned. I know people have lives, but a post a day is not that hard to do. With less than 4 hours to nightfall and 5 people not voting, I am concerned.

Here is my latest scaled list:

bkw - 2
coler - 3
lady g - 4
ewurm - 5
jl66 - 5
Deputy - 5
Ice - 6
Mad - 6
jpap - 7
sway - 7

Here is a list of the five that are not voting yet: Bkw, Coler, Jpappy, LG and Mad

I expect that Coler and Lady G will vote before nights end. Last time Bkw voted towards the end, was that his last post? I am surprised to see that Mad and jpappy have not voted yet.

I am fairly certain that all of the players will vote before nightfall and would be very surprised if we lost one due to not voting.

Besides Coler, I have not seen anyone post reasons why not to lynch BKW, that includes BKW.
 
I am torn between those 3 as well. I'd like to know where Jpappy and Mad are going before I make a final commitment since those are the 2 people I most trust right now, and I really hope I am not wrong about them.

Are you concerned that they have not voted?
 
Ok so I'm home and gonna try to clear up some things:

To JL's comment on BKW, I meant when he was the evil doc in BioBadlands....I just realized I didn't make that clear as I was typing it.

As to my play style this game, I'm trying to use an HN approach. I've had a hunch about someone this whole game and I decided to stick with it. I found that when I was evil in other games the constant pressure eventually panicked me. Also I often had a feeling HN was probably innocent. If hit, it was certain that person receiving the vote was probably crooked. Maybe I'm off on my assumption, but I'm willing to try it. Not sure how I've been 'anti-town' since I've been saying when I'm on how I'm trying to work toward winning for the town. I rationalized back and forth my reasons with Ice on votes and probabilities in the first few nights.

I stick with my original list. I called DD and I think I have some other good choices on my list.
Three things that really bug me:

1.) Hn only used this against joander when he was "old mafia" and I also used it against you when I was CIA. In my opinion this narrow-mindedness is anti-town.

2.) You should know that saying you are trying to help the town doesn't get you anywhere or prove innocence at all.

3.) You never called DD out and you never even voted for her, instead you kept your vote parked on Lady G. You put her (DD) on your list because it was the safe thing to do. And if you look back at your reason for "suspecting" her it makes no sense (posted below). You say she WOULDN'T make a slip like that...that makes it seem like you think she is innocent. But then you say she is backpedaling...what!? You don't really seem to pick a side. So don't take credit for something you didn't do...

I'm gonna trust you on this, but if the mutant kills the bodyguard or the sheriff I'm gonna get a bit peeved. Right now I do have a list, I'm sure no one's gonna put any stock in it but it's just impressions I've gotten over the game:

Lady G - I'm still quite bothered about her. She seems to be investigative, but manipulative of the game at the same time. There's a lot of moments where it seems like she feels we should believe what she's saying without question.

BKW - Quiet, usually is. This played out EXTREMELY well for him when he was the doc, even though he came after a few people strongly that game.

DD - Was definite that Lady G was innocent. Even she's too smart to make a blunder like that and then backpedals saying she has a headcold or something. Though some team-ups aren't bad in this game EVERYONE knows not to say you're definite on anyone's innocence.

Jpappy - No definite evidence but give the appearance of going through the steps to "look" innocent. Pops up, gives some lists with no major explanations, pokes a few people and then becomes busy when questions are asked. By the time he comes back people have overlooked what was said.

Ewurm - Cryptic, but always is.

Yes I am. He has used a successful strategy in the past and I hope to have similar success.

It seems to be a good strategy for evil. All you are doing is focusing on 1 person the entire game. You aren't being very helpful to the town by offering much in the way of opinion on any one else. You are doing a lot of I told you so type posts and you'll be sorry if you vote me posts. Care to explain in what way this strategy is supposed to be successful? If you are actually a townie, you are making it very tough to tell and that alone makes it a crappy townie strategy.

I completely agree swayde.


Apparently you don't read so often, but I offerred up 4 people who I thought were evil. I still stand by that list. If you think I'm evil because I don't make a new list every 5 minutes then you have a warped perception on playing this game. We all have different styles of play, just because someone doesn't have your style doesn't make them evil.

If you take a look up at DC's list I think it is pretty obvious that he doesn't really name any strongly supported suspicions. Says that Lady G is bothering him and that bkw and ewurm are quiet but always are...no evidence. I already mentioned the DD thing and his reasoning for me he expilicitly states that he has no evidence. (Stuff highlighted in red above).

And DC, since then you haven't even made a new list. In fact, you have made ONE list the entire game! How pro-town is that? The only things you have done is go after lady g the entire game and defend yourself.

So you are still seriously going by this list!?

didn't think I voted for Lady G - I may have said she was a very legitimate suspect.

I'm a touch busy but will be trying to get some posts in today.

In the meantime, if you think I'm evil then go for it, vote for me. You'd be wrong, and I don't think anyone can make a proper case out against me, notwithstanding that I voted for Ogre; he looked evil to me from the get go, as did DD. Ice began to look innocent to me on day 2 - very much not sure about him now. I related his innocence somewhat back to JL and now I wonder if the easy answer is in fact the right one - that Ice jumped off JL on day one because he had to, because JL was zombie czar.

We have to remember folks, those of you that are voting for Lady G that DD, a known zombie said "I know Lady G is innocent". I think DD was sucking Lady G in...I read rb's elimination post as saying that DD was an original vampire and not a turn and therefore you have to look on almost everything she said as garbage, and certainly laden with an agenda. I am not comfortable voting for Lady G at this time.

As I type I am beginning to consider offering the town a straight shoot-out of me versus ice. Of course, if we are both innocent that's a bit of a disaster, losing one of us to a lynch but as I say I am very doubtful about ice. The only reason I am not currently voting for Ice is because I have not decided that he is in fact the best subject.

Are you implying that jl and Ice COULD be partners in crime? If so...

Coler why would you begin to think that Ice (your hypothetical original zombie) would be the last to vote jl (your hypothetical zombie czar) and then switch off late that same night? All it would have taken is a couple more jl votes by the town and we would have won night 1...no matter how Ice ended up voting...


But even after all of this I suspect BKW waaay more than DC or anybody else. His absense, well, says it all. Plus his nonsense voting just to get it in there was concerning.

I vote to lynch Bkw

Dc still next suspect.
 
I am torn between those 3 as well. I'd like to know where Jpappy and Mad are going before I make a final commitment since those are the 2 people I most trust right now, and I really hope I am not wrong about them.

I vote to lynch BKW....

He signed up to play, so I would assume that he would have at least looked at the thread in the past 24 hours. He's got to know that people are anxious to hear from him....still nothing.

I probably won't be on much before nightfall, so this is unlikely to change.
 
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