Bree's Discus Tank Build Thread

[Bree7]

I'm so excited about getting my discus tank up and running! It all starts with square one: I tore down my planted 55 gallon, siphoned out the sand, removed the plants, made it a bare bottom. (Wow, much easier cleanup already!) Cleaned the filters, and I've been upping the temperature for the last few months. Finally at 85 degrees!

Stocked up on the discus diet: frozen blood worms, brine shrimp, tetra colorbits, beef heart etc. Still looking for a discus cone, but I won't be needing that for a while anyways. Already doing daily water changes to get in the habit, even though the discus aren't here yet!

I currently have some small schooling fish in the tank to keep the cycle running until the discus get here, (they were in the tank before I tore it down). But they will have a new home once the discus arrive. There's 9 blackskirt tetras, 2 rasboras, 3 cories, 3 kuhli loaches, and one clown loach.

So this is post #1 of my discus tank build thread! Keep checking in (or subscribe) to see how it goes along! I'll post pics as often as possible. And when the discus arrive, be warned, there will be a photo overload :) :)

[Liquid_Pyro]

I look forward to the pictures!

[stephcps]

Looking good so far!!!

[roscoe70]

Nice start, good luck with the new guys when they arrive. Please keep us posted.

[Bree7]

Stocking it with discus from Kenny over at simplydiscus.com

Can't wait! I'll keep you all updated :) Hopefully I will be able to make a video and post it here of unpacking them.

My final order is:
(1) Albino Pearl Diamond (striated type)
(2) Checkerboard Pigeons
(1) Blue Diamond
(1) Altum Flora
Kenny is absolutely the best around and the easiest to work with. Awesome guy.

I. Am. So. Excited. :clap:

[DiscusOnly]

Good start. Get yourself 1-2 sponge filter.

[tropfishsuccess]

please keep us updated.. following along!

[Star_Rider]

:headbang2: lookin good

[pinkertd]

Looks great! My discus (most of them) are also from Kenny! Kenny is simply an awesome person to know and do business with. You will be getting terrific healthy fish with voracious appetites!! Looking forward to pics of the new arrivals!!:grinyes:

[Bree7]

Good start. Get yourself 1-2 sponge filter.

Just ordered two 80 gallon sponge filters last night.. So the tank will have tons of filtration in addition to my HOB's.

I will keep you all updated!!

[fishorama]

very nice! I like the white background, never thought I would. What kind of filter intake is on the right side? Looks different. Can't wait for new fish pics!

[Reframer]

Excited for you, but where is the potted plants?

[Bree7]

very nice! I like the white background, never thought I would. What kind of filter intake is on the right side? Looks different. Can't wait for new fish pics!

Thanks! The white background is new, I've always gone with black.. Never thought I would like white either, but I want these discus to really show their colors. Turns out that it isn't as bad as I figured :) I actually quite like it- it brightens up the tank a lot! The intake on the right is connected to a standard aquaclear 500, but I bought the filter used and I think it came with a different intake.. Sorry I'm not exactly sure where she got it! :)

[Bree7]

Excited for you, but where is the potted plants?

Oh, you just wait :) :) :)

There won't be many at first; in fact I'm planning to steal an idea from a fellow discus keeper here and use some stemless glasses with gravel in them instead of pots. Probably 3 max to start with. I really just want to keep the tank super clean and bare for now to get some nice growth on them.

[Bree7]

The only (mild) update for now:
I got an overturned clay pot today to hopefully use in place of a discus spawning cone.. Added that to the tank and bought a huge 9" fish net for future use :) no more 2" and 3" nets for me!!

Other than that, nothing new. Pretty lame update! But there should be more coming. Planning to add the 3 plants soon- any suggestion on what kinds to keep that will tolerate the high temps and discus conditions?

I had to hold back today during my visit to PetSmart. Fish for $1.00. Although the quality in my local shop is pretty lame, they had some gorgeous angels. But nooooo not for me! I'm proud to say I left with zero impulse buys!! :y220e:

The two 80 gallon sponge filters will get here in a few days- I'll post some pictures when they arrive and I get them in the tank. Hopefully I will have the plants by then.


If all goes as planned, the discus will be here sometime next week! I will probably ask to receive them next Saturday morning so I don't have to take off work.

[KingOfTheDeep]

tank looks good, you won't be sorry with fish from kenny! i have an order coming from him tomorrow.

your on simply right? i think i remember you posting in his latest thread showing the pictures of his june shipment. i go by DansDiscus over there.

[Bree7]

tank looks good, you won't be sorry with fish from kenny! i have an order coming from him tomorrow.

your on simply right? i think i remember you posting in his latest thread showing the pictures of his june shipment. i go by DansDiscus over there.

Oh okay, yes I've seen you around there! My name is Bree7 here and on Simply :)

Make sure to post some shots of the order you receive tomorrow, I'd love to see how they are and what I get to look forward to! What strands are you ordering?

[KingOfTheDeep]

Oh okay, yes I've seen you around there! My name is Bree7 here and on Simply :)

Make sure to post some shots of the order you receive tomorrow, I'd love to see how they are and what I get to look forward to! What strands are you ordering?

sure thing, here's whats coming.


3-3.5" Albino Pearl Diamond x3
3.5-4" Hi-body Carnation Turk
3.5" Checkerboard Pigeon
3" Mercury
3.5" Blue Diamond select-grade
3"+ Hi-body Forrest Red Turk
3.5-4" Leopard (fine pattern)
4" Altum Flora

[Bree7]

sure thing, here's whats coming.


3-3.5" Albino Pearl Diamond x3
3.5-4" Hi-body Carnation Turk
3.5" Checkerboard Pigeon
3" Mercury
3.5" Blue Diamond select-grade
3"+ Hi-body Forrest Red Turk
3.5-4" Leopard (fine pattern)
4" Altum Flora


WOW. I can't wait to see the shots! That's awesome. I wish I could afford to get 10 from Kenny! 6 will have to do for now :)

That will be a wonderful variety. The APD's are my absolute favorite. The Altum Flora are great too. Wonderful choices- what size tank are you keeping them in?

[KingOfTheDeep]

WOW. I can't wait to see the shots! That's awesome. I wish I could afford to get 10 from Kenny! 6 will have to do for now :)

That will be a wonderful variety. The APD's are my absolute favorite. The Altum Flora are great too. Wonderful choices- what size tank are you keeping them in?

they're going into a 75 until they grow to about 5", then they will be moved to a 200 show tank. as soon as i saw the APDs i had to have a few :D. altums were high up on my list as well.

on top of this order, i have 10 2" fry coming from another sponser on simply, 20 discus in one day :jaw-dropping:

[Bree7]

they're going into a 75 until they grow to about 5", then they will be moved to a 200 show tank. as soon as i saw the APDs i had to have a few :D. altums were high up on my list as well.

on top of this order, i have 10 2" fry coming from another sponser on simply, 20 discus in one day :jaw-dropping:

:jaw: JEALOUS. :jaw:

[Spardas]

Nice setup Bree7!!!

Good luck on the new fishes. You simply can't go wrong with the quality of Kenny's fish.

[Bree7]

Nice setup Bree7!!!

Good luck on the new fishes. You simply can't go wrong with the quality of Kenny's fish.

Thank you! And yes, Kenny is a great one to buy from.

Anyone have any suggestions for the plants in the stemless cosmo glasses?

[cockroach]

Subscribing to see how this grows. Nicely done so far.

[Bree7]

Quick update...
Here is a current tank shot! I've added an overturned clay pot and a few plants in the stemless cosmo glass :) Trying to find two more... they seem to have disappeared from my kitchen cabinet...? Weird. So only one glass for now.

Fish will arrive next Saturday morning! Almost time to move out the current fish and move in the new guys :) Sponge filters will be here on Friday.

Keep checking in! Adding more to the tank soon.

[Chrisinator]

That tank actually looks pretty awesome!

[Bree7]

That tank actually looks pretty awesome!

Well thank you :) It is still a work in progress.. but I try to keep it clean looking!

Oh, I forgot to add.. The bottom of the tank has been painted white. Trying for zero peppering on these fish!

[cockroach]

Looking great and can't wait for Saturday.

[KingOfTheDeep]

looks great, very clean, discus will love it :)

[Bree7]

Update:
The sponge filters arrived early!
They are now set up in the tank with airstones. I'm a little unsure about my air pump as I bought it used... the model is a Second Nature Whisper 300, is that sufficient for the tank? I really don't know much about it. Does the pump size affect the filter flow or does it not really matter? It is set up with a splitter so the air goes from one pump to both filters. I'll attach a pic of the pump, as well.

Anyways, here is a current tank shot!

{Countdown... 3 more days until discus!}
I'll try to post a video when I receive the package.


(Ignore the mess on the bottom! The cories and kuhlies thought it would be great to play with the sand in the planted glass. Needless to say, they tried to get as much sand out of the glass as possible.)

[cockroach]

I am getting excited for you.

[stephcps]

Me too!!

[KingOfTheDeep]

lookin' good!

pump is fine, i use pumps rated for a 5 gallon tank on my 55 and they get the job done nicely, lol.

[fishorama]

The sponge filters look fine, you just need a nice flow of bubbles for them to work.

[Bree7]

I am getting excited for you.

I am SO excited.
{2 more days!}

Thanks for the great comments, I can't wait to get this thing stocked.

I'm a little bummed about having to kick out the old fish... They are nothing special, and mostly grey/brown.. but I've raised them all from tiny fry and they are so happy in that big tank! I may just have to keep them in a big plastic storage bin set up for a while until the discus are settled in... but I'd be afraid of introducing them back to the tank with discus... it seems risky and I don't want to mess anything up with these fish since I'm spending so much. So maybe I should find them a new home. :( I don't know. What would you guys do?

Sigh... If only I had more tank space...

[stephcps]

I went the bare bottom, nothing but discus route for months!! Every other day water changes etc, etc. I finally got tired of it...hated the way the tank looked and the fish never seemed happy. I had some diamond tetras I had long since quaranitined and I neede the tank space...so I said forget it I'm putting them in with the discus. I had a bunch of white sand I had just bought. I threw the sand on the bottom, put some bigger rocks a few java ferns and the tetras...the discus loved it. They actually schooled instead of staying in a big clump all the time. I put a few harelquin rasboras in as well (after quarantine of course) and it got even better. They just seemed happy for the first time. They ate better, were less aggressive.

So then fast forward a few months...I have moved all my discus and the diamonds and the harlies to my new 150. I buy 6 juvie..2-2.5 inch ..discus. 3 cobalts and 3 blue sapphires. I put them in the now empty, but with sand substrate and a few decorations, 55 gallon. They hide all the time for days. They come out to eat, but that is all. The freak out when I turn on the light...it was not fun. I decided to move the harlies back and see if it made a difference...wow!! It was night and day!!
Made such a huge difference, it was really unbelievable. As soon as quarantine was over I moved them in to the 150...so now I have a mix of sizes which most people say no to...but they have grown like weeds and stand their ground at feeding time.

So, I, based on my personal experience, think Discus actually LIKE and probably NEED some smaller dither fish to really help them feel safe and secure. So, I personally would leave those other fish there. You have had them in the tank with all the other stuff any way. I see no reason to move them.

Steph

P.S. Just my experience and my opinion!!

[Bree7]

Hmm... I think I will start with them out of the tank, and if it looks like the discus are a little shy or need some smaller fish, I'll reintroduce them.

COUNTDOWN: {1 MORE DAY!}
By this time tomorrow, I will have discus in my tank.
In fact, I will have them within 18 hours from now!

There is water being prepped in a huge plastic container with a heater and a bubbler for the first big water change- wanting everything to be ready!

You guys will be the first to hear when they arrive!

[Chrisinator]

Can't wait to see your discuses!

[cockroach]

Waiting. Tick tock tick tock tick tock. Is it tomorrow yet?

[Bree7]

it's today!!!

I have 2 more hours until the time frame starts of when they should be delievered. (9AM-12AM) So I'm getting more and more excited!

The tank is ready and waiting.... and so am I. Haha.

I'll keep you guys posted! -Video coming when they get here.

[KingOfTheDeep]

exciting :D

[Bree7]

The time frame has started! So that means "technically" I could get the fish any minute. I doubt it though, I'm guessing around 10AM.

Dan- What time did yours get to you?

[Bree7]

THEY ARE HERE!!!

(acclimating in my tank!)

Pictures and a video to come!

[KingOfTheDeep]

sweet!
(just to answer your question, mine arrived at 4pm due to a mishap by FedEx)

[Bree7]

For now I am letting them settle in- lights off, and out of the room. (Which is the hardest thing ever! All I want to do is go peek at the tank every two minutes! haha)

I can tell they are a little stressed from the shipment, but they are absolutely gorgeous. Colors are showing up wonderfully, and they all look healthy. Skittish, but that's understandable considering their journey! Hopefully it won't take long until they are begging at the front of the tank for food :)

I'll post pictures either later tonight or tomorrow- I want to give them time to settle in and not freak them out.

[cockroach]

I want to see too!!!!

[Bree7]

Wow. These fish are truly something.

They are now exploring the tank like experts, not the least bit shy. Practically begging for food (which they get tomorrow morning!). They are just perfect. By the way, the "suprise fish" is a white butterfly! Absolutely stunning. The two checkerboards are so bright, it's insane. I love the yellow fins on my blue diamond! The albino yellow is stunning. And the Altum Flora is... well... huge!

I'm thoroughly convinced that I ordered 6 puppies instead of discus by the way they follow me around in the tank and beg!

Kenny really outdid himself this time. Pictures tomorrow.

For some reason the video won't upload on youtube or photobucket.. I'll try again tomorrow.

I couldn't be more happy with this order.

Anyone looking for insanely quality discus- Kenny is your guy!!

[sushiray]

Oh, you just wait :) :) :)

There won't be many at first; in fact I'm planning to steal an idea from a fellow discus keeper here and use some stemless glasses with gravel in them instead of pots. Probably 3 max to start with. I really just want to keep the tank super clean and bare for now to get some nice growth on them.

by chance could that be my stemless cosmo glasses??!! plse do! it's a great compromise!!

with mine I see the roots wiggle to the bottom + it does collect a lot of debris/poop for ferts!

I recently posted "after 1 yr my stendkers are still here!"

but may I suggest using 2 AC's & DIY one with extended intake tube (into a tee preferably - see my pics!)

will check more at end of your thread, I just started on your pg 1 so will catch up!

[Bree7]

by chance could that be my stemless cosmo glasses??!! plse do! it's a great compromise!!

with mine I see the roots wiggle to the bottom + it does collect a lot of debris/poop for ferts!

I recently posted "after 1 yr my stendkers are still here!"

but may I suggest using 2 AC's & DIY one with extended intake tube (into a tee preferably - see my pics!)

will check more at end of your thread, I just started on your pg 1 so will catch up!

Sure is! Great idea, sushi. Works wonderfully.
I'll go check out the filter in your pics.. thanks for the suggestion!

What is the benefit to the extended filter tube, if I may ask? And the tee... Is that to collect the debris on the bottom of the tank?
Hope you enjoy the thread :)

[sushiray]

Thank you! And yes, Kenny is a great one to buy from.

Anyone have any suggestions for the plants in the stemless cosmo glasses?

ok I'm up to pg 3. if no one has yet (I'm sure someone has) I suggest amazon swords, mine are flourishing (after I made chg in my lighting/filtration/aeration process) in my cosmos! + when u buy, buy the ones with extra young shoots! I buy mine from walmart (must QT & I do quick bleach wash) swords that have shoots already!

I kept them as runners from one cosmo to another (takes some doing w/o breaking the shoot) & they've taken root so after that I cut the umbilical cord & they are growing all on their own!!

[sushiray]

Update:
The sponge filters arrived early!
They are now set up in the tank with airstones. I'm a little unsure about my air pump as I bought it used... the model is a Second Nature Whisper 300, is that sufficient for the tank? I really don't know much about it. Does the pump size affect the filter flow or does it not really matter? It is set up with a splitter so the air goes from one pump to both filters. I'll attach a pic of the pump, as well.

Anyways, here is a current tank shot!

{Countdown... 3 more days until discus!}
I'll try to post a video when I receive the package.


(Ignore the mess on the bottom! The cories and kuhlies thought it would be great to play with the sand in the planted glass. Needless to say, they tried to get as much sand out of the glass as possible.)


walmart has a great inexpensive 2valve air pump for about $11 (aqua tech?) & powerful enough to my sponge & bubble air stone.

[sushiray]

Hmm... I think I will start with them out of the tank, and if it looks like the discus are a little shy or need some smaller fish, I'll reintroduce them.

COUNTDOWN: {1 MORE DAY!}
By this time tomorrow, I will have discus in my tank.
In fact, I will have them within 18 hours from now!

There is water being prepped in a huge plastic container with a heater and a bubbler for the first big water change- wanting everything to be ready!

You guys will be the first to hear when they arrive!


what are you using for dechlor? many like prime as I do. but I just bought ultimate since it also detoxes metals.

up to pg4! exciting for me to catch up!

makes me want to order from kenny's also but where do I put them??!!

[Bree7]

That reminds me, I found a new home for the various community fish that were in the tank. Hopefully the new owner will take good care of them..

Anyways, this whole thing has been so rewarding. All of the work, time, and money spent has provided me with some wonderful stock that will keep on giving. With a little commitment and time, I plan to grow these fish out and hopefully even get a couple pairs from the group.

...Anyone want first dibs on the fry? haha! I kid, I kid.

[Bree7]

what are you using for dechlor? many like prime as I do. but I just bought ultimate since it also detoxes metals.

up to pg4! exciting for me to catch up!

makes me want to order from kenny's also but where do I put them??!!


Normally I use stresscoat, but since I cleared out the old fish in this tank, I've switched to aquasafe. Kenny has my full, 100% recommendation. You just can't go wrong with stock from him!

[sushiray]

Sure is! Great idea, sushi. Works wonderfully.
I'll go check out the filter in your pics.. thanks for the suggestion!

What is the benefit to the extended filter tube, if I may ask? And the tee... Is that to collect the debris on the bottom of the tank?
Hope you enjoy the thread :)

I truly enjoyed your thread! the anticipation! but at least I came in late & read thru in 15min with my replies. so didn't have to wait it out! 8)

as for the DIY - yes to catch the heavy mucho pooping they will be doing cuz you will be feeding often (tho I didn't) & doing w/c often (I did but not as often now). I use AC110 with tube extension they give (connects 2) so it is mid-level on left side of tank, then 2nd AC110 I DIY extension with pvc to the bottom into a tee - works wonders! I tell ya, sometimes I just stare at the tee to see it suck up the poop! I watch them as they slowly roll over inching it's way (the current is great with AC110's) & swoosh, away it goes! I tell ya it's most satisfying! call me weird! but I love my idea being a success! I share it a lot but not many takers.

good luck with yours - but where's the discus pics??!! I read all the thread & ??? leave me hanging??!!

[Bree7]

I truly enjoyed your thread! the anticipation! but at least I came in late & read thru in 15min with my replies. so didn't have to wait it out! 8)

as for the DIY - yes to catch the heavy mucho pooping they will be doing cuz you will be feeding often (tho I didn't) & doing w/c often (I did but not as often now). I use AC110 with tube extension they give (connects 2) so it is mid-level on left side of tank, then 2nd AC110 I DIY extension with pvc to the bottom into a tee - works wonders! I tell ya, sometimes I just stare at the tee to see it suck up the poop! I watch them as they slowly roll over inching it's way (the current is great with AC110's) & swoosh, away it goes! I tell ya it's most satisfying! call me weird! but I love my idea being a success! I share it a lot but not many takers.

good luck with yours - but where's the discus pics??!! I read all the thread & ??? leave me hanging??!!


Hey now, you came in late- I had to leave you hanging a little! Come on, where's the suspense?

Kidding- pictures tomorrow. I just want them to really settle in and brighten up first.

The filter: This sounds like an awesome idea, however, I'm soon purchasing/making a prefilter sponge. Lengthening the tube kind of defeats the purpose of keeping the filter clean of the large debris that a prefilter sponge will prevent. Since I'll be vacuuming the bottom daily, it really doesn't matter to me that the poop will be there.. and I'd rather clean it from the bottom instead of always cleaning out the filters. Because if you don't clean the poop out, it just stays in the filters and the water continutes to run through it, and contaminates further. Does that make sense?

Anyways, what works for some doesn't work for everyone. I can see it being a great filter, but I'd rather keep my cleaning regime as simple as possible! :)

[Bree7]

Morning #1: All fish happily swimming around, begging for breakfast, staring at me and wiggling from behind the glass :)

They devoured some blood worms and let me take a few pictures- so, as promised:

The first 6 are from yesterday during acclimation.
The rest are from today while eating blood worms for breakfast :)
More food on the way- ordered a bunch of flakes from AngelsPlus. Heard great reviews.

I apologize for the blurry ones, but some of the smaller guys weren't so sure about the camera. The yellow on the albino and the white butterfly didn't really show up well on these pictures, but they are bright YELLOW. I snapped a few to give you an idea, but they really don't do the fish justice!

Enjoy!

[Rbishop]

Beautiful fish!

[fishorama]

Wow! They look great!

[Lupin]

Coolio! They're beautiful.:)

[cockroach]

Just awesome!!!!

[KingOfTheDeep]

they look great! love the pigeons and the WB, should have added one to my order.

[Bree7]

they look great! love the pigeons and the WB, should have added one to my order.


The white butterfly is quickly becoming one of my favorites! First of all, even though he is the smallest of the group, (2 inches, biggest is the altum flora at 4 inches) he is also the bravest! It's so funny! He darted right up to my hand when I fed the blood worms when the others were a little bit weary. When he saw that he was the only one there, he slowly went back to the group. Haha. He was the first to wander to the other side, explore, etc. I just love him. And his colors have gotten so much better overnight, even since taking these shots. Getting food in them really made their colors pop. I couldn't have gotten a better group. I really love all of them.

The altum flora is lightening up, he got pretty dark at first (from stress, I assume) but is slowly fading his bars and lightening up to his normal colors (which are actually more of a light blue/turquoise if I am correct.


Just did a water change. The python freaked them out a bit, but now they're swimming around looking happier than ever. Begging for food.. hmm.. yep, they're definitely discus! haha.


One question: Has anyone used aquasafe water conditioner? I just started and I hadn't noticed at first, but that stuff wreaks!! It smells so gross! Is this normal? I bought the bottle slightly used. Does it go bad? It honestly smells rotten. I might go back to my stresscoat because it smells nice! haha.

[KingOfTheDeep]

One question: Has anyone used aquasafe water conditioner? I just started and I hadn't noticed at first, but that stuff wreaks!! It smells so gross! Is this normal? I bought the bottle slightly used. Does it go bad? It honestly smells rotten. I might go back to my stresscoat because it smells nice! haha.

what you're smelling is the Sodium Hydroxymethane Sulfinate, detoxifies ammonia and gives it a nice sulfur smell. :)

i'd recommend using Seachem Prime/Safe as your conditioner, it stinks as well, but it's good stuff.

[Bree7]

what you're smelling is the Sodium Hydroxymethane Sulfinate, detoxifies ammonia and gives it a nice sulfur smell. :)

i'd recommend using Seachem Prime/Safe as your conditioner, it stinks as well, but it's good stuff.

Phew! Okay, so it is safe though, yes? Because it made my water a little cloudy and I was worried.. Is it a decent conditioner for now?

I'll get prime as soon as I get to my LFS

[KingOfTheDeep]

Phew! Okay, so it is safe though, yes? Because it made my water a little cloudy and I was worried.. Is it a decent conditioner for now?

I'll get prime as soon as I get to my LFS


it's fine for now, i have heard it can cloud the water, shouldn't be a problem though. if the fish show any signs of stress after using it, big water change.

[Slappy*McFish]

Fantastic looking Discus! I know you're very pleased with them.

[Bree7]

it's fine for now, i have heard it can cloud the water, shouldn't be a problem though. if the fish show any signs of stress after using it, big water change.


Thanks, Dan! Always refreshing to hear confirmation from someone who knows what they are talking about :)

I doubt I'll ever stop being paranoid with these fish.. I over analyze every little thing because I really want them to be healthy and happy! They are all happy and swimming about the tank- second feeding today was frozen beef heart which they loved. 2 more feedings to go!

Oh, I got a video working.. I can't upload the one of unpacking them because youtube won't except it, but I got a video of the tank. It will be posted soon.

Thank you everyone for all of the kind compliments :)

[Chrisinator]

Awesome discuses!

[stephcps]

Wow!! They look awesome! Very beautiful fish. I look forward to watching them grow!!
I love all the colors, they look really awesome!!
How about a FTS!?

Steph

[Bree7]

Wow!! They look awesome! Very beautiful fish. I look forward to watching them grow!!
I love all the colors, they look really awesome!!
How about a FTS!?

Steph


I'll post one later today :)

[Bree7]

Sorry about the quality! Not my camera. Here's a video of the 6 of them!


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[sushiray]

very nice! so the smallest is 2" largest 4"? looking good! surprised they adapted after 1nite! mine took a week to start eating normally! good luck!

[Bree7]

very nice! so the smallest is 2" largest 4"? looking good! surprised they adapted after 1nite! mine took a week to start eating normally! good luck!

They were begging for food after just an hour in the tank! haha. They didn't eat as much as I assume they will in the next few days, but they were definitely willing!

Yes, 2" is the smallest (white butterfly) and 4" is the biggest (altum flora)

Thank you!

[stephcps]

Looks good Bree!! I remember how exciting it was to get my first!!
Stunning group!!

[Mikey5924]

Those are some really great looking fish.

[Bree7]

Looks good Bree!! I remember how exciting it was to get my first!!
Stunning group!!

Thank, Steph! I really am enjoying them. They have brightened up more and more- even by the hour. The video and pictures are already outdated they've colored up so much! And on top of that they are all really confident now, swimming up and down around the tank. I couldn't be happier with my order :)

The only thing that had me spooked so far was last night. The room light was on, but the tank lights have been off since they arrived (to help them settle in). It was super late and so they were probably in their night-stage. I walked in and it almost look like they jerked awake when I walked toward the tank! They darted all over, a couple even hit the tank sides and the altum flora splashed at the surface. It was terrifying! They hid for a few minutes and then came back out and acted normal.

Is that just something they will have to grow used to as they get more comfortable? Or do you discus-keepers come across this darting thing sometimes? Like when they are startled or lights are turned on?

[Bree7]

Those are some really great looking fish.

Thanks!

[Bree7]

Fed again today and they went berserk over the bloodworms! All of them swarmed around my hand. I can't wait for the new AngelsPlus food to arrive. I ordered: 8 ounces of Garlic Flake, 3 ounces of De-worming flake, 8 ounces of Vitamin Flake, 1 pound of 1.5mm fry starter and I got a free sample of Earthworm Flake.

I'll post a review upon arrival and trial :)

All 6 are doing great, happily swimming about the tank.

Yesterday: one 40% WC, two %15 WCs (cleanup after meals)

I think I'll keep that as my daily WC schedule, it seems to make them happy and comfortable :) Not to mention I can't stand the tank bottom not being spottless! That should come in handy in the long run :)

[KingOfTheDeep]

Is that just something they will have to grow used to as they get more comfortable? Or do you discus-keepers come across this darting thing sometimes? Like when they are startled or lights are turned on?

they'll get used to shadows, lights and sounds as they settle in.

i have noticed though, that the 'startled while in sleep mode' thing will either go away with time, or never go away at all. i have a tank full of adults that have been with me for MONTHS, and i still wake up to filter intakes and pre-filters floating, een had a few heaters break and heads and sides bruised.

i would say, at this stage of their acclimation, keep the shadows to a minimum, walk up to the tank slowly when its lights on time, or when lights are off in the day. eventually they will realize shadows or lights on is a good thing(FOOOOOOOOD!)


are you planning on using a Beefheart/Seafood/Fish mix in their diets at all? ken makes a pretty good heart flake, but nothing beats fresh meat :)

[Bree7]

they'll get used to shadows, lights and sounds as they settle in.

i have noticed though, that the 'startled while in sleep mode' thing will either go away with time, or never go away at all. i have a tank full of adults that have been with me for MONTHS, and i still wake up to filter intakes and pre-filters floating, een had a few heaters break and heads and sides bruised.

i would say, at this stage of their acclimation, keep the shadows to a minimum, walk up to the tank slowly when its lights on time, or when lights are off in the day. eventually they will realize shadows or lights on is a good thing(FOOOOOOOOD!)


are you planning on using a Beefheart/Seafood/Fish mix in their diets at all? ken makes a pretty good heart flake, but nothing beats fresh meat :)

Good to know it's somewhat normal!
Yes! I forgot to mention.. that's not the full diet.

Along with those flakes/pellets they will get:
Frozen Beef Heart (which they love so far.)
Frozen Blood Worms (which they LOVE so far.)
and Frozen Brine Shrimp until I run out! I know they aren't high in nutritional value, but I've had them around for ages and I really just want to get them out of my freezer! haha.

I'm also looking for an (EASY) seafood mix. But it probably won't be a staple part of their diet.

[KingOfTheDeep]

this is one of the best seafood mixes i know of. i sub the salmon with a pound of mixed seafood from the supermarket, and add in a pound of raw-de-shelled shrimp

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?t=69130

[Bree7]

this is one of the best seafood mixes i know of. i sub the salmon with a pound of mixed seafood from the supermarket, and add in a pound of raw-de-shelled shrimp

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?t=69130


Sounds simple enough, maybe I'll give it a try soon!
Thanks for the link!

Just did a 20% water change. They seem happy as can be, but man that aquasafe clouds the water. After an hour or so it goes back to crystal clear, but still... Definitely time to get a new water conditioner. Aquasafe is a no-go. But as long as it's safe (although annoying) I'm not super worried about it.

[stephcps]

I tried a few different home made recipes...mine never ate it! But lots of people do well with that. My fish are just weird and picky!!

My adults still sometimes do the "dart and hit the side of the tank thing". Sometimes I know what sets them off...somtimes I can hear them when I am in bed. Maybe it's my cats who knows? But, I think in general it is normal for the occassional skittish behavior.

My fish do love the angelsplus flakes. Sorry I didn't see your post sooner...the hi pro growth flake is a hit with every fish I have ever fed it. I have grown out a nice batch of cory fry on it. Highly recommend any of their flakes!!

Oh...defintiely get some Prime...love that stuff!!

[pinkertd]

They look terrific! And it's quite normal for Kenny's fish to settle down easily and quickly and gobble food down very soon after acclimation! And you noticed how they LOVE those frozen bloodworms!

The startling in the tank.....mine are a few years old and I still have to be careful if I rush through the dark room in the morning. I did lose one once from it startling and ramming into the tank.

Looking forward to them growing!!

[Bree7]

They look terrific! And it's quite normal for Kenny's fish to settle down easily and quickly and gobble food down very soon after acclimation! And you noticed how they LOVE those frozen bloodworms!

The startling in the tank.....mine are a few years old and I still have to be careful if I rush through the dark room in the morning. I did lose one once from it startling and ramming into the tank.

Looking forward to them growing!!

Thanks, Debbi!

Yes, the feeding is not an issue, that's for sure!
I'm hoping the darting clears up in the next few weeks, because tip-toeing in slow motion is getting a bit old :) But it really doesn't happen often, mostly just if I flip on the lights or accidentally bump the tank. In all honesty, these fish seem pretty bullet proof!

Update:
Just finished a 50% water change, did a 25% cleanup earlier today.
Devouring the bloodworms as always! They also like the beefheart, but not with as much enthusiasm :) FBS is just getting in the way... I'll probably just toss it or throw it in my next BH mix. Every time I feed it, the shrimp float all over the tank- into the filters, in the water column, at the surface, etc. It's a pain to clean up! I like the BH and FBW because they sink and make for easy cleanup.

Still waiting on the new foods!

[fishorama]

If you have a meat grinder or food processor BH &/or seafood mix is pretty easy. Kinda stinky & preping heart is not too fun. I only have 8 discus so I make small batches & experiment with ingredients. I put it in freezer zip bags & flatten it pretty thin so I can just break off a piece with my fingers while it's frozen.

[stephcps]

Also the freeze dried blackworms that Al (brewmaster on simply) sells are great! I bought some pro gro(which has all the vits and mins etc) and soak them in that for 30 minutes all my cichlids go nuts for them.

[Bree7]

Thanks for all of the great replies, everyone!

Just a quick update:

All of the discus are eating wonderfully- I can't believe I finally have them!
If I'm in the room, they all follow me around in the tank :)
And TOMORROW is the one week discus anniversary! Yeaahhh! I'll post some updated photos tomorrow to show their growth and colors.

I had a thought- would you guys want to see how they grow by me posting update pictures once a week? Say, every Saturday? I think it would be cool to have it all documented. Yeah?

Oh, and FTS coming tomorrow, Steph :)

[Bree7]

Also, is it normal for tank temperatures to lower during the night?
My heater is set at 86* but it runs a little low, so that takes it to 84-85* which is what I aim for. During the day time, the temperature is correct, at 84* or 85*.

However, when I wake up in the morning and check the tank, the temperature has dropped to 80*-82*. Is that normal? Is the fluctuating temperature going to hurt them? I've heard it can be bad, but I don't know how to keep it constant...?

I have another heater, but I use it to prep the aged water. It seems like the heater should keep a constant temp, and it does during the daytime, but at night it lowers slightly. Maybe because the window is cracked open at night? Or there is (obviously) less light in the room to generate heat?

[KingOfTheDeep]

i wouldn't worry to much about a drop of a few degrees at night, it's mostly PH and other water parameters fluctuating that should cause worry. temp drops at night would be natural for them, BUT, it is always good to have their environment as stable as possible.

what brand of heater are you using?

[Star_Rider]

what type thermometer?
is is a probe?
is it mounted in the tank?
or is it an external thermometer?

typically the temp drops a bit at night if the heater /heaters are large enough they should be able to compensate.. but if they are not then thetank temp might drop a bit.

the temps you are describing should not be a problem.

[fishorama]

I agree they should be ok but it might be good to get another heater. Many people use 2 slightly smaller heaters. It should be keeping the tank at the same temp. I had a Stealth that worked for discus temps for months then it just didn't keep up, it came on but the temp was lower than it had been keeping it. I'm going to try Jaegers next, kensfish has good prices & foods too..

Yes, we'd love to have updates on your pretty babies!

[stephcps]

I would think about a second heater...not because of the drop in temps at night, but that way you have a backup. If one stops working, you got number 2 doing the job.

Can't wait to see the babies after their first week! I love the FTS...nice colors in those fish. I would post pics of mine, but I am battling BBA bad in my show tank. It looks like
crap and I am so disgusted with it!!

Anyway I am glad ur guys are doing well and look forward to updates!!

[Bree7]

i wouldn't worry to much about a drop of a few degrees at night, it's mostly PH and other water parameters fluctuating that should cause worry. temp drops at night would be natural for them, BUT, it is always good to have their environment as stable as possible.

what brand of heater are you using?

Thanks,
the PH and other water params are all really stable- so that's good. I won't worry as much about the temp. I figured in the wild the temp must drop at night, so it seems natural to.. although I will try to keep the fluctuation as minimal as posible.

The heaters I use (one in the aging container and one in the tank) are Elite 300watts.


what type thermometer?
is is a probe?
is it mounted in the tank?
or is it an external thermometer?

typically the temp drops a bit at night if the heater /heaters are large enough they should be able to compensate.. but if they are not then thetank temp might drop a bit.

the temps you are describing should not be a problem.

I have two thermometers. 1 is the suction kind that sticks to the inside of the glass. The second is the sticker kind which was applied to the outside. Both show the same temperature results.


I agree they should be ok but it might be good to get another heater. Many people use 2 slightly smaller heaters. It should be keeping the tank at the same temp. I had a Stealth that worked for discus temps for months then it just didn't keep up, it came on but the temp was lower than it had been keeping it. I'm going to try Jaegers next, kensfish has good prices & foods too..

Yes, we'd love to have updates on your pretty babies!

I'll look in to buying a third heater so I have two in my tank and one in the aging container. I've heard great things about the Jaegers! Let me know how it works for you! :)


I would think about a second heater...not because of the drop in temps at night, but that way you have a backup. If one stops working, you got number 2 doing the job.

Can't wait to see the babies after their first week! I love the FTS...nice colors in those fish. I would post pics of mine, but I am battling BBA bad in my show tank. It looks like
crap and I am so disgusted with it!!

Anyway I am glad ur guys are doing well and look forward to updates!!

Good idea, steph. I'm really enjoying these guys- can't wait to post the 1 week pictures! The Altum Flora has completely changed and is showing his more accurate, lighter colors. Finally.

The white butterfly is more than enthusiastic about everything in the tank, and the albino is by far the bravest. It looks like they're trying to work out a pecking order, and currently it's between the biggest guy, the altum flora, and the second biggest, one of the checkerboard pigeons. We'll see! The blue diamond is the shyest, but he's coming out more and more. Overall, they are a great group of discus.

Today I got a container of PRIME water conditioner and two prefilter sponges. Removed the intakes off of the tubes and put the sponges on. They seem to be working awesome so far. Just didn't want to have all of that left over food up in my filter media.. it slowed the flow down a little as well, which is nice.

Hopefully in a couple of weeks I will be able to remove one of the HOB's and rely mainly on the sponge filters. And eventually take off the second HOB. Too loud! Right now the sponge filters are just sitting in the tank (without air pumping through- it made too much flow) and hopefully collecting tons of beneficial bacteria so I can start using them once I remove the first HOB.

[DiscusOnly]

Hopefully in a couple of weeks I will be able to remove one of the HOB's and rely mainly on the sponge filters. And eventually take off the second HOB. Too loud! Right now the sponge filters are just sitting in the tank (without air pumping through- it made too much flow) and hopefully collecting tons of beneficial bacteria so I can start using them once I remove the first HOB.

I would not do that. I would keep at least one HOB unless you can do large WC everyday. Put an airstone inside the sponge filter if the bubble is too big or loud.

[Bree7]

I would not do that. I would keep at least one HOB unless you can do large WC everyday. Put an airstone inside the sponge filter if the bubble is too big or loud.

Actually, I meant that the HOB's were too loud. What is the reason for keeping the HOB's if I may ask?

[DiscusOnly]

Actually, I meant that the HOB's were too loud. What is the reason for keeping the HOB's if I may ask?

Running sponge filters only on growing discus (usually mean heavy feeding) requires large daily wc.

[Bree7]

Running sponge filters only on growing discus (usually mean heavy feeding) requires large daily wc.

Good point. Although, I'm currently doing one 50% wc daily, and three 25% changes after feedings.

However, I may wait until they are all around 5" to remove the second HOB.

Does that sound like a good plan? Thanks much for all of the great insight.

[stephcps]

I never had a HOB on my juvie tank. It is to each her own! As long as you have a couple of big ones (Sponges) in the tank, are doing daily water changes anyway...you will be fine.
Many argue you don't even have to have cycled media if you do daily water changes, and really you are doing 3 changes a day, a big one and 2 smaller ones. I would do an entire tank wipe down once a week, to get the slime off, take the sponge filters out and give them a good cleaning. That was about it. If I raised the temp more than 86 degrees, I would drop an airstone in as well.

Steph

[pinkertd]

Bree - while it is normal in the wild that the water temp fluctuates from warm days to cooler nights resulting in a temp difference, I wouldn't want that in my tank. If you have a sufficient heater, the temp is not going to fluctuate. I always kept 2 300W Visitherm deluxe heaters in my 72G discus tank. I recently replaced those heaters (due to age and not wanting to take a chance on failures) with 1 jaeger 300W in the center of the tank and it's keeping perfect temperature!

[Bree7]

Okay, so now I'm thinking about completely changing my filtration.

The ideas I'm trying to choose between are:

1.) 2 AC70 filters and 2 80 gallon sponge filters. To reduce the flow, I was planning to extend the lift tubes on the sponge filters and place the intake tubes from the AquaClears inside the lift tubes of the spongefilters, thus effectively turning the sponge filters into prefilters (much better than the ones I have on the intakes now) for the HOB's. This is just an idea, but it seems like it would both add biological filtration to the setup and massively extend the lifespan of any mechanical media in the HOB-at the expense of needing to clean the sponges of course-without increasing water flow.

OR

2.) Buy 1 EHEIM 2213 and run it with both sponge filters. This makes less filter clutter in the tank, and probably better filtration considering it's an eheim. Along with the silence of the canister filter which is the most important part to me- that they are QUIET. I know the 2213's are rated for up to 66 gallons. Is this accurate? Would you guys consider two 80 gallon sponge filters and an eheim 2213 in my 55 gallon to be sufficient filtration with no problems?

Both end up costing about the same amount of money, so which one will be quieter, more effective, and best?

If I could stretch my wallet, I'd definitely get the 2217. But I don't see being able to afford that in the near future.

What would YOU do?

[wesleydnunder]

i wouldn't worry to much about a drop of a few degrees at night, it's mostly PH and other water parameters fluctuating that should cause worry. temp drops at night would be natural for them, BUT, it is always good to have their environment as stable as possible.

what brand of heater are you using?

In the Amazon area, water temp drops at night would be so negligible as to be almost immeasurable. The thermal inertia of large bodies of water tends to keep the temp from falling or rising significantly over a single dark or light period. In the tropics, temps at night seldom fall below low 80s to high 70s. At 10pm it can still be over 90F.

Mark

[sushiray]

I like the dual AC70's - I find my dual AC110's & dual AC70's run extremely quiet mechanically but when water levels drop then it sounds like a water fall! not sure how many have experienced noisy AC's but I run them full time except during feedings, the water flows are great & easy maintenance (I add wally polly to increase effectiveness of sponge media) & much lower cost to buy vs canisters. some have experienced mechanical probs with canisters (recently eheim by one member) & was a pain to rectify & get replacement parts. AC's no mechanical replacements needed in my experience but they do have them readily available at lower cost than canisters.

IMO - I'm sure many others have differing views/experiences. My main concerns were cost (initial cost I get 2 for price of 1 canister), ease of maintenance (I can change/clean 2 in 12min. & wally polly is so cheap), allows for alternative cleaning & mine run very quiet (most noise is derived from not having the intake u-part of tube low enough over the opening in the filter box so lots of bubbling/maybe grinding sound)

good luck!

try kensfish.com or bigalsonline.com

[Bree7]

Thanks guys!

OR

3.) Go with 2 80 gallon sponge filters
1 AC 110
1 EHEIM 2213


Best?

[Bree7]

Update: Decided to go with a 2215 eheim canister filter (for up to 93 gallon tanks) to pair with my two 80 gallon hydro sponge filters.

When the eheim gets here, can I just transfer the media in my HOB's straight into the canister and remove the HOB's? It seems like all of the beneficial bacteria would just be moved to the canister so it wouldn't upset the cycle. Yes?

Anyways, today is the 1 WEEK anniversary with these discus :) :) :)

All are doing well! I decided to cover the sides of the tank with white paper. This completely brought them out of hiding and almost totally stopped the darting. They are eating great and starting to socialize more and more. Updated pictures on the way!

[Bree7]

Here are the three best shots that I could get with ALL of them in the picture. Man, if anyone has some magic way to get them all to sit still in one frame, let me in on your secret!

These are just 3 main pictures out of the 70 I took today. I'll add a link in my next post if you'd like to see the rest! :)

Steph- here's your FTS! And the first two are the best I could get with all of them in one frame.

Enjoy! Remember to click the link in my next post for the rest and a ton of individual shots!

[Bree7]

Click here for WEEK 1 UPDATED PHOTOS (http://s946.photobucket.com/albums/ad301/ThatsBree7/Discus%20Update-%20Week%201/?albumview=slideshow)
(http://http//s946.photobucket.com/albums/ad301/ThatsBree7/Discus%20Update-%20Week%201/)

[fishorama]

Wow they've really colored up & look even more fantastic in just a week! Cute how the blue guy you said is kinda shy is doing the coy act for the camera.

[KingOfTheDeep]

they look great, you're doing an excellent job so far!

[Bree7]

Here's a video from today's morning feeding!

They don't normally hide behind the filter like they are at the beginning/end of this video.. I guess they are just a little camera shy? Haha, nevertheless, the smell of frozen bloodworms got them to come right out!

Enjoy!

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Oh, and sorry about the glare on the glass! It's my computer screen in the background.

[Bree7]

Wow they've really colored up & look even more fantastic in just a week! Cute how the blue guy you said is kinda shy is doing the coy act for the camera.

Thanks for the compliments! I'm super happy about how they've colored up and gotten more confident. It's funny, the blue diamond is starting to actually boss the others around now! Weird how their pecking order goes... They've all got such funny and different personalities.


they look great, you're doing an excellent job so far!

Thank you! I'm trying my best to give them the best. I'm glad you guys will get to watch them grow.

[pinkertd]

Awww, terrific video Bree, they look fantastic! Makes me want more young ones!!

[Bree7]

Thanks!

I just received my package from angelsplus and I'd say my discus are even more enthusiastic about those flakes than they are about the FBW!!!

The Garlic Flakes are a huge hit. And the Vitamin Flakes are getting devoured too! I've yet to try the fry starter pellets, the deworming flake and the earthworm flake, but I have no doubt they will be popular too. Makes feeding much easier with a good flake food! Now they'll get two frozen meals and two flake/pellet meals a day.

[Bree7]

Major update!

3 more discus on the way!!
This (final) shipment will include:



one 4" blue cobalt
one 3.5" blue scorpion
one 4" super flamingo

I'm super excited for these strains! I've been looking for the perfect blues for a long time. The super flamingo is stunning too. Those last three for the group will arrive sometime next week- still setting up a ship date.

After this I'll have to stay away from Kenny's sale threads before I buy myself out of money or tank space- whatever comes first! Haha :)

I will be sure to post pictures upon their arrival. Super excited!

[Bree7]

Oh, and I forgot to mention. Before you guys freak out about tank size, I'm upgrading to either a 90 or 100 gallon.

[pinkertd]

You are officially addicted!!!!!!!!!!! Help :help2:is on the way!!! :woot::woot::woot:

Bree I have two blue cobalts......in my opinion, there is no blue fish that compares to the dark blue cobalts!! My lights just came on in their tank. I'll see if I can shoot a quick pic of them!

[pinkertd]

Take a look at the pics I took this morning here:
http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2387673#post2387673
Hard to take pics of them when all they have is food on their mind when you're in front of the tank!!:grinyes::grinyes:

[Bree7]

Hmm... Deb now you've got me wondering if I want to get 2 cobalts and leave out the scorp.. hmm...

But yes, addicted seems like an accurate word for this :)

[Bree7]

My final order is:



one 4" super flamingo
one 4" cobalt
one 3"+ golden diamond


So that will bring me to 9 discus. I believe I am having a 95 gallon custom made for this group, I'll keep you guys updated on the progress of both the new fish, old fish, and new tank! ;)

As you said, Debbie... it's more of an addiction than a hobby!

[pinkertd]

:D:D:D

[Bree7]

:( :( :(

What a bummer.
Yesterday I broke a bone in my foot. I had to cancel my order with Kenny and I'm holding off on the tank upgrade. Now the money I was spending on the new discus gets to go towards my medical bill. Ughh... :(

Anyways, now I'm planning on getting the last 3 discus from Kenny's shipment in August. Until then, I have my first group of 6 still, and all are doing very well! I'll post an update video on Friday.. that will make 2 weeks with these guys!

Wish I hadn't broken my foot, but life happens.
Still love the fish I have and I'm still excited for the fish I'll be buying in August.

[sushiray]

looking great! not sure if anyone has given you tips on discus foto's, but after they are use to your feeding (I feed in the same spot each time to train them), all I have to do is raise my hand mid-glass level at the right side of the tank to the lid top & they all come a racing like puppies panting for their food! my angels are also trained to expect food in the same spot!

hope foot heals quickly!

[pinkertd]

So sorry to hear of your broken bone Bree. Take care of yourself first.....the fish will be available any time. Speedy recovery to you!

[wesleydnunder]

Get better soon, Bree!

Mark

[Bree7]

Thanks, guys!

Couldn't help it... Just brought home a 100 gallon :)
Tank upgrade down, now to buy more discus.... :)

[Sportsnutim]

Great start! Tank looks great.

[Bree7]

Great start! Tank looks great.


Thank you! I will post some pics of the new tank tomorrow. Got it all cleaned out and set up, but I'm waiting to put the discus in for a couple of days. I want to get a white background installed on the inside of the tank. I have a big group of angelfish coming in on Thursday that will be taking over my 55 :)

[Sportsnutim]

That sucks! Sorry.