![[AC] Hammerhead 991](/forums/data/avatars/s/83/83900.jpg?1431345518){kind=avatar}
Taking some time out before responding to my post, eh? I would to if I were scum and totally hung over a barrel. I'll be waiting eagerly for your response, dude. :thumbsup:
Mafia 100-The Witches Return-The Game
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Just saw this and thought I should respond.[AC] Hammerhead 991;2750541 said:
If the fact that I have been tearing the engine apart and trying to get it back into my truck so I can get back to work pre occupying my thoughts and time makes me scum then guilty.
I cannot play to your high standards and satisfaction until the truck is done. Sorry to let you down.
I'm not let down. It's not my high standards that you're not playing up to, it's your own. I've played with you before when you're busy, and you've been preoccupied. That looks much different than what I'm seeing this game. This game, you seem much more concerned with laying low and not making waves. Even when I goad you all you have is a pity me post. :bs: That's not Wiz. You've never backed away from anyone in one of these games, and I don't buy it that your truck is the cause of your off game.
You're sucm Wiz. Just admit it. I've got the next two days off of work, and I have no problem spending them hounding you and your cohorts (Doomy and Wing) until you all tap out.
Is 100% too sure? Not in this case.
Why no defense? Why no argument? Why no post pulling or question asking? Why say you're not going to be around when obviously you're sitting right there at your computer refreshing? Why am I being such a pain in the ***?
All of the answers to these questions are the same:
You're scum. In fact, I'm certain that you're the High Priest.
Admit it, Wiz. Confession may better your chances in the hereafter. It's doubtful, but it may.
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It's hard to even respond to a post that is basically a huge jump to conclusions.[AC] Hammerhead 991;2750541 said:
I was asserting that if anyone was protecting Wiz it would pretty much had to have been Cnote, given the reasoning for the vote. They are the only one that responded directly to Tree. The other votes were joke/random votes.
You're putting words into my mouth by saying I'm not willing to look at Wing. Based on the situation at hand I don't see what would implicate Wing. Nor Cnote, for that matter.
It's rather early to be as sure as you are about scum...let alone the scum boss.
Of course I'm jumping to conclusions. This whole game is about jumping to conclusions. I think the thing that has you upended is that I'm right, so early in the game.[AC] Doomsday998;2750558 said:
You asserting that Cnote had to be the one defending Wiz is simply ludicrous. Wing's vote on Tree is a subtle way of defending Wiz. Of course he didn't mention it in the post. Don't you think that would be a little stupid? His vote was because Tree's vote was on his leader. I wasn't sure of that until you came out trying to direct my view toward Cnote, but it makes sense now.
How am I putting words in your mouth? A few inches above this line, you go as far as to say that Wing never even responded directly to Tree. Again, I beg to differ. Wing's vote was a direct response to Tree's. Feels like I've said that before... hmmm.
Anyway, I don't care how early in the game it is. I'm right, and I'm not letting it go, and I'm not going to be quiet about it.
WIZ IS THE HIGH PRIEST! And I'm pretty sure Doomy and Wing are his toadies. We can get to them later. For right now, Wiz needs the stake, and the fire... and the screaming. No delays, No excuses. If you have played with Wiz before, ask yourself this... is this the Wiz you've seen? The only answer is no.
Put me up against him if you like. Whatever you all need to do to feel good about it, but Wiz has to go.
These are the Day 1 votes at nightfall for reference purposes :-
1. They vote for each other, ideally (for them) in a totally non-threatening way. That's because a) they have to vote for someone and b) they like to point back to the vote if the other scum gets nailed and say 'I was on him the whole time.
2. They don't like, if at all avoidable, to have their vote count for anything. On Day that is usually totally avoidable, as the town are statistically likely in the absence of a big slip up to fasten onto a townie or two.
2. They kill somebody with a view to making innocents look scummy, or to take out a really good player.
Looking at the idea that scum vote in inconsequential ways, Hammer, Wizard, Chupa, Tree (for ditching off wizard when someone joined him with a second vote), Hi IQ, Doomsday and Maelstrom would be considered. Fire was a second vote on Wizard. That is just a little less scummy than a singleton vote so I leave Fire out for now.
Delete Maestrom also- known innocent.
I take Tree off the list for the reasons I gave earlier, mildly leaning them innocent - I don't see them letting one go even to a tie on Day 1 in a game with no guaranteed turns and no effort was made to save Tree. I would lean Wingnut, C-Note and Driver innocent based on not making inconsequential votes, and interestingly Driver is of course, a (dead) known innocent.
I can make a stronger case for Wingnut being innocent based on him also having two votes himself. Again I don't believe that the witches would allow this to be the case so close to nightfall on Day 1, if he was a witch, with the risk of 3 votes getting you in a tie for the lynch.
This would also allow me to lean Badhaggis and UhOh as innocent - for not being inconsequential votes.
Leaving Hammer, Wizard, Chupa, Hi IQ and Doomsday as inconsequential votes. Hold that thought.
I said earlier that scum vote for themselves a lot on Day 1. The reason is that they can do it knowing that they won't get a dangerous reaction from the person voted for, they can stage some kind of argument if they like and also if a couple more votes do come on, they can take their own vote off as necessary and put it elsewhere for the save. They can also point backwards if one of them does get exposed and killed and say 'yeah I was on him from the start'.
Anyway, ideally as a scummy Day 1 voter a couple of them park their bs votes on each other.
Turning to the actual votes, Doomsday voted for Hi IQ and Hi IQ voted for Doomsday. Turning back to Wizard and Chupa, Wizard voted for Chupa.
Chupa voted for Rickets, for the record.
OK so those are my thoughts based on a bog standard scum Day 1 vote plan.
Turning to the hit :-
Maelstrom is a known innocent and one who was killed by the death spell. Unless they thought Maelstrom was a top player they would hit him just to make townies look bad. In fact even if the hit was done because they thought he was good they would be looking to get some suspicion onto townies as well anyway.
Gunslinger and Rickets were voting for Maelstrom. There is some cause for thinking that they might therefore be innocent and that the witches hope to use their votes in the future against them.
In passing I comment that Maelstrom was voting for me. I believe Maelstrom was quite likely also hit to make it look as if he was on to something in doing this - reason being his vote was based on an analysis of my posts and not just random. I only make this comment in basing. Of course, I lean myself as a known innocent but you people can't know that.
I don't know that I'm willing to lean Gunslinger and Rickets innocent based on the same logic but I could certainly be persuaded. In any event, by being part of a potentially consequential vote (lynching an innocent Mael if somebody else jumped on), I would lean them a little innocent as per the discussion on inconsequential/consequential votes above.
In summary for those reasons I lean Wizard, Hi IQ and Doomsday just a little bit scummy when compared to the rest of the town because they each come in under both headings of Day 1 scumtells. I don't know how I feel about Chupas vote on Rickets but it is interesting.
These are very mild leanings I stress and not based on posts made by any of them. I will be re-reading the thread later to see how I feel about their posts generally.
OK lets look at the Day 1 final votes again. Things that scum do.
1. They vote for each other, ideally (for them) in a totally non-threatening way. That's because a) they have to vote for someone and b) they like to point back to the vote if the other scum gets nailed and say 'I was on him the whole time.
2. They don't like, if at all avoidable, to have their vote count for anything. On Day that is usually totally avoidable, as the town are statistically likely in the absence of a big slip up to fasten onto a townie or two.
2. They kill somebody with a view to making innocents look scummy, or to take out a really good player.
Looking at the idea that scum vote in inconsequential ways, Hammer, Wizard, Chupa, Tree (for ditching off wizard when someone joined him with a second vote), Hi IQ, Doomsday and Maelstrom would be considered. Fire was a second vote on Wizard. That is just a little less scummy than a singleton vote so I leave Fire out for now.
Delete Maestrom also- known innocent.
I take Tree off the list for the reasons I gave earlier, mildly leaning them innocent - I don't see them letting one go even to a tie on Day 1 in a game with no guaranteed turns and no effort was made to save Tree. I would lean Wingnut, C-Note and Driver innocent based on not making inconsequential votes, and interestingly Driver is of course, a (dead) known innocent.
I can make a stronger case for Wingnut being innocent based on him also having two votes himself. Again I don't believe that the witches would allow this to be the case so close to nightfall on Day 1, if he was a witch, with the risk of 3 votes getting you in a tie for the lynch.
This would also allow me to lean Badhaggis and UhOh as innocent - for not being inconsequential votes.
Leaving Hammer, Wizard, Chupa, Hi IQ and Doomsday as inconsequential votes. Hold that thought.
I said earlier that scum vote for themselves a lot on Day 1. The reason is that they can do it knowing that they won't get a dangerous reaction from the person voted for, they can stage some kind of argument if they like and also if a couple more votes do come on, they can take their own vote off as necessary and put it elsewhere for the save. They can also point backwards if one of them does get exposed and killed and say 'yeah I was on him from the start'.
Anyway, ideally as a scummy Day 1 voter a couple of them park their bs votes on each other.
Turning to the actual votes, Doomsday voted for Hi IQ and Hi IQ voted for Doomsday. Turning back to Wizard and Chupa, Wizard voted for Chupa.
Chupa voted for Rickets, for the record.
OK so those are my thoughts based on a bog standard scum Day 1 vote plan.
Turning to the hit :-
Maelstrom is a known innocent and one who was killed by the death spell. Unless they thought Maelstrom was a top player they would hit him just to make townies look bad. In fact even if the hit was done because they thought he was good they would be looking to get some suspicion onto townies as well anyway.
Gunslinger and Rickets were voting for Maelstrom. There is some cause for thinking that they might therefore be innocent and that the witches hope to use their votes in the future against them.
In passing I comment that Maelstrom was voting for me. I believe Maelstrom was quite likely also hit to make it look as if he was on to something in doing this - reason being his vote was based on an analysis of my posts and not just random. I only make this comment in basing. Of course, I lean myself as a known innocent but you people can't know that.
I don't know that I'm willing to lean Gunslinger and Rickets innocent based on the same logic but I could certainly be persuaded. In any event, by being part of a potentially consequential vote (lynching an innocent Mael if somebody else jumped on), I would lean them a little innocent as per the discussion on inconsequential/consequential votes above.
In summary for those reasons I lean Wizard, Hi IQ and Doomsday just a little bit scummy when compared to the rest of the town because they each come in under both headings of Day 1 scumtells. I don't know how I feel about Chupas vote on Rickets but it is interesting.
These are very mild leanings I stress and not based on posts made by any of them. I will be re-reading the thread later to see how I feel about their posts generally.
I also need to think about how I feel about Hammers big, big claim. Anyway some feedback on the above would be gratefully received.
Oh yeah and if somebody could link me to a game in which wizard played for the scum that would be super.
