Zombies -- Mafia #11

rbishop said:
Totally random.....3 sorts on a number generator...3 sorts on roles... paired up columns...you got what I got....:grinyes:

Players:

bkw
Deputy
charlie
dangerdoll
ewurm
lady g
ogre
jl66
jpap
sway
coler
guppy
Ice
kotd
Mad


2 Zombies and 13 Normals to begin with...:grinyes:
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This answer your question on if it was random or not?
 
johnlarson66 said:
As a zombie, I would be mad if a townie would be allowed to live after they did not vote. The less townies the better, for the zombies.

My list from votes was a quote from someone else. I did not verify to see who was on who. I really thought most of the town was voting for me and considered myself dead.

Your list was after the vote and listed 3 of the 4 people on Charlie at time of death.

Then you were upset that there might be a chance that one of these non-voters could have been given to the zombies and how that would not be fair. Good job looking out for the zombies.

Then also you say it would be stupid for swayde and jappy to be working together when there are only 2 zombies. I agree, me having them as suspects is "weak", note I voted for you.

Also, armed with this same knowledge, you point out how DC and I are connected to each other and are working together. DC and I must be pretty stupid, according to your post.

I said it would be stupid of them to vote for the same person,not work together.


I do not see how this post even helps you. If anything it makes things worse.
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I don't see how it makes it worse. I think you've stepped in it and made a really bad case trying to clean it off.

Again I want to know why would I vote for a person going home anyway when I could have had taken out a 5th innocent. Doesn't seem like a very good move IMO for a zombie.
 
My thoughts for you Ogre...

OgreMkV said:
Ice, I was about to ask you why you didn't agree with myself and Mad on DD and LadyG... then you posted.

To be honest, I'm still looking for a reason in there. Just because they didn't attack you isn't a very good reason (IMO).

Let me post a few lists for discussion:
Most obvious turn targets (both two nights):
  • Coler
  • Ice
  • Mad
Don't know...I think Ice pointed out earlier that these people would be investigated first, or is that what the zombies want us to think? Any "good" bad team is composed of players who are vocal and players who are quiet imo...
My most suspicious list: (this would be for the first two zombies)
  • Dangerdoll
  • LadyG
  • JohnLarson
  • Ewurm (low prob... have no experience with the wurm, but posts not very in depth or useful)
I like the list but I am not quite sure about lg. Some of her posts have been helpful but others have me questioning her motives.
My almost trusted players
  • no one
Some general paranoid thoughts.
If Mad or Ice were the turn victims, then I and others are being led astray. However, I notice that Mad and Ice are against and for the same two players (LadyG and DD).
Now, if Ice is the turn victim, then he may be trying to protect them. If Mad is the turn victim, then he may be trying to have them eliminated. If neither is the turn victim, then we have an honest difference of opinion and (based on the evidence) I am leaning much more Mad's way that Ice's.
I don't think Ice would be so naive as to protect two people on his own team. That would leave a train leading right to him if/when lg and/or dd show up as zombies.

Coler is somewhat surprising to me right now. He seems to be still on the vote off the non-players thing... which, I admit, others started and kept bringing up, but it is surprising to me that he would get involved. I am very much looking forward to a few more posts from him regarding his analysis of the day's discussion.
I don't get what you mean.

It's also curious that Mad, myself and Coler have pretty much the same list of suspicious players... which is really pushing me into the direction of believing them more innocent than not. Mad started and I kind of started the DD/LadyG thing and Coler seems to have jumped onboard with little encouragement or statements of support.
Ogre I am confused as to what you are saying. You think Coler is innocent because he is thinking the same as you but he isn't really helping?

Right now, I trust mad more than Coler. But that's like saying I'd rather have smallpox than ebola.

DD's analysis of Ewurm is interesting too. It's a pretty good piece, but then, it's not hard to push the kind of play that eWurm has done so far as suspicious.
I would have to agree with this completely.

JohnLarson is also acting unusual. I don't really understand what his hangups are with the voting and the lack of analysis. He doesn't post much, that I understand. However, his posts in past games have seemed to be much more in depth and insightful than this game's posts.

There are 3 zombies and 4 townie roles. That's seven players. I have seven people that I have studied somewhat and have found causes for concern. It's my experience that all players with a role play somewhat differently than 'normal'. I know I do (and I think all of you know it as well).

Is my list perfect? No way. But I would very much like to hear thoughts from everyone on my lists. And a 'I agree' won't cut it. Let's hear why you agree or disagree.

At this point, I'm a hair''s breath from pulling my vote for DD, I just have no where to park it right now. We have about 24 hours. Time to crank up the discussion.

Ewurm, I REALLY REALLY want to hear some stuff from you. BKW< you and jpap too!
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IceH2O said:
Okay I really don't see anything in Sways posts to deem a suspicion of being turned. Good reason right there not to trust anything you think you might have seen and to go back and check. So I lean her back to innocent

Thats going to lean Bkw to evil unless he comes out and shows differently.



This is why I don't think Lady G or DD are evil












Normally DD and LG would tear me up for this post, even if they believed my explanation they would have twisted it in many different directions to get me lynched. They said nothing.
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Ice, you might be able to say this, as only you know your status (zombie or townie). I, on the other hand, can see a different reason that they may not have attacked you if they were zombies.....because they turned you.

Not saying it's a done deal, just a possibility for those of us not 'in the know' regarding your true status.
 
johnlarson66 said:
As a zombie, I would be mad if a townie would be allowed to live after they did not vote. The less townies the better, for the zombies.
This makes sense somewhat, but then you continue...
My list from votes was a quote from someone else. I did not verify to see who was on who. I really thought most of the town was voting for me and considered myself dead.
And why would you do this besides the votes were very close ...wasn't it you who said, it doesn't matter if I'm innocent and lynched if the town wins I win? Not a good thing to do if you want your "team" to play...I beleive now more than ever and am glad I voted you that you are Zombie, this is exactly what I would think a Zombie who thought they were going to be lynched would do.
Then you were upset that there might be a chance that one of these non-voters could have been given to the zombies and how that would not be fair. Good job looking out for the zombies.
I believe you are twisting thoughts here..I think Ice was saying it wouldn't be fair if we voted a non poster off because they were going to die, lynching a innocent and then they were not killed off leaving an innocent for the zombies to take...at least that is the way I read into it.
Then also you say it would be stupid for swayde and jappy to be working together when there are only 2 zombies. I agree, me having them as suspects is "weak", note I voted for you.

Also, armed with this same knowledge, you point out how DC and I are connected to each other and are working together. DC and I must be pretty stupid, according to your post.

I do not see how this post even helps you. If anything it makes things worse.
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Oh I think it helped him..because of your response to it.
 
The main thing that seems to help JLs case is that LadyG is now defending Ice. That makes almost no sense whether both are zombies or both innocents.

There are few votes for Ice, way more for JL at this point. So why defend Ice, the main group on JL is LadyG, Ice and DD.

More and more this seems to be a coordinated effort.

It's just hard to believe that the zombies would play this obviously.

I'm losing my mind.
 
Madcrawdad said:
Ice, you might be able to say this, as only you know your status (zombie or townie). I, on the other hand, can see a different reason that they may not have attacked you if they were zombies.....because they turned you.

Not saying it's a done deal, just a possibility for those of us not 'in the know' regarding your true status.
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Look at post 387 Mad. I rethought the reason and agree it doesn't clear them. And I give my reason for suspecting DD and for thinking LG innocent.

edit I posted 382 and its in fact 387.
 
ewurm said:
Your argument with Coler has me worried. I have no idea how to take it. I originally thought that it might be a cover to defray suspicion between both of you. Coler is new to me and I can't get the read of him. Your argumentative posts have me suspicious of you. Coler, I just can't figure out.
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I'm not speaking for Ogre or Coler, but folks need to think about how zombies might try to distance themselves in the game. A contrived argument on Day 1 doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Two zombies arguing on Day 1 means nothing on Day 2. As townies may be turned nightly, distancing effects from any argument don't carry over from day to day. Two zombies would need to argue every day for the distancing to likely have any effect.
 
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