Mafia #13 - The Witches of ACville- the play

[ZSandmann]

This is an attempt to try and show the connection I see between these two. It isn't easy with the low post counts and they only directly reply to one another once. Never mention each other when mentioning namers either.

I liked Hot Fuzz better, Z.

OK, we need to hear from some people.

I vote to lynch sploke. A known shady character... and quiet to boot. Obviously witchy.

A real early vote for the Prophet based on how he has played in past games? This is almost like how Ice always wants DD out. :grinno:

just got my PM

"It said, 'Your Pet May be an Extraterrestrial' and 'The Ghost of Elvis is Living in My Den'

Oh, Midnight Star... I want to know, I want to know"

King "gets his PM"

I'm comfortable with my vote

On sploke

EDIT - DOUBLE POST

plant, i had just signed on at the time

Much later why it took so long for him to get it.

Set youe AC settings to no avatars and no signatures.


Basically, I think that this newbie is a witch and is a candidate for burning.

Because Brk wants to check the site from work he is a Witch?

Agree. Hey Ice, you forgot to include DD on the anti-newbie thing.

This is very suspicious. It's almost exactly like a 'don't kill the known bad guy', instead, ignore tham and try to find more bad guys.... which is a terrible strategy.

This post strikes me as very anti-town.

Here's a reaction... notice how Ice's list includes the better players. This would be a great list for a witch to throw out, it includes myself, DD, Z... some of the better investigators.

Besides, I've only made like four posts. How can you get a feeling on me?

I was about to change to Br... but now, I'm thinking Ice might get my vote. He appears to be very anti-town.

Whatever, I'm defensive. What about your post? That sounds pretty defensive to me. Pot calling the kettle black... I am assuming you're still using a black cauldron there witch-boy. Haven't switched over to Calaphon?

If you aren't confident enough to vote on of the five on your list, then why even bring it up?.... oh, right, it was a trap. Good call. As I recall, whne I said that two games ago, you didn't take it so well. In fact, you wanted to lynch me. So now, I return the favor.

I vote to burn Ice on a stake, at noon, on the summer solstice. Because that's what my 'Little Book of Witch Hunting' says to do!


BTW: At this time, my top three for the coven are Ice, Br, and Deputy Chief.

DC is because Br thinks him innocent for no reason. He obviously knows who he is. Ice because he's defending Br.

Also, LadyG, I'm not sure I see the whole plantling thing.

Hey I voted for Lady G too, but you named all known or assumed Innocent's here. That's not enought o believe you are a Witch though. WE, and here I mean everyone remaining, have not burned a Witch yet. So all our suspect ists were off obviously. But you are going after strong players with very little provocation.

this is interesting, we all know RB likes to give us clues..no doubt in my mind this is one..

About the spells.

im going to hold off my vote until i see some more explanations to this clue, doesn't seem like many people even noticed it..but lets see.

this is a very good post, very logical..i can definitely see the point about LG, and i have been suspicious of her since my first post..

so for now, i vote to burn ladyG

In response to DD's analysis of the spells.

Guys, can I say something about this whole 'Rb's hints' thing?

It's almost ridiculous. The town has won almost every game ever played here. We don't need any hints from the ref to figure stuff out. We'll get there. Unless Rb made it 7 witches to 8 townies, then we're going to win (am I the only one that reads a double entandra here?)... it will just take some time. The bad guys will screw up somewhere.

In the interest of full disclosure... I figure I can bring this up as I'm not 'implicated' in the 'hints'. If someone else had said this, you guys would be jumping all over it.

the town has won games on RB hints and clues before.

i dont remember which game it was, but the last time i was mafia, we had a town sweep going, until RB gave the town clues, which led them to a win.

i don't like the fact that you dont even want to give the clues a chance..they ARE here to help the town out when it needs some help..do you not want to help the town?, could one or two of your buddies be in trouble due to these clues?

things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm

This is the only time King and Ogre directly cross post. Ogre never answers him and no one else mentions it. Why is it that they NEVER mention one another? One takes a pro-clues stance, and one takes an anti-clues stance. It does indeed make me go Hmmmm.

OK guys, it's heroes, chuck and the big bang theory tonight so I'm out until 9:30 or so. I'm comfortable with my vote on Ice.

--DAY 2--

well..we didn't have a productive night..obviously..but when have we ever taken out 2 or the evils in the first night?

i should have taken my vote off of LG..BUT i can't take that back now..SORRY LADY!

i guess we really just need to work as a group, even if there are witches among us..they will slip up and make catchable mistakes like always..

Ok below he clarifies the Or should be Of. I'm fine with that, but the statement as a whole makes no sense at all. Even we had burned a Witch that is only one Witch. How could we have gotten 2 Witches in one Day? Ther eis no Vigilante. There could be and were 2 Townies killed, it just seems like a strange Freudian slip to me. King maybe you can clarify this post for me.

My thoughts on the LadyG kill:

1) She seemed to agree with my suspect list of Ice, Br, and DC. This would merit a killing by the witches.

2) She's just that good a player.

3) Her agreeing with my list made her a good 'anti-target'. The list is pretty much wrong, but good enough to cause some on that list to be lynched, therefore killing an innocent.

If the kill was based on case two, then (no offense), but I think Ice and Z would be better targets than LadyG. She's in the top three, but the first one? Maybe maybe not

If it's based on case two, then we have a fairly weak witch team and we could confidently go forward with that list as a base.

If it's based on case 3, then we have a very powerful witch team and the three on that list are mostly innocent. That would lead me to suspect Zsand as a leading witch. The other potential witches (IMHO) aren't quite up to that serious misdirection on turn 1. They're leaving a lot of good players up and running.


Personally, I'm leaning toward case 1 with case three a close second. I'm curious as to others thoughts.

Actually, I don't think it depends on me being innocent or guilty. The fact that she agreed with my list the important bit (and the fact that she was innocent).

If I was guilty (I'm not, but 'if), then you just switch the 'then' part of the if-then statements and they are still valid.

I'm not asking you to believe my innocence (I'm not that naive). I'm just suggesting a couple of options for the reasoning behind G's death and what our likely responses could be.

Well obviously now it was closer to the case 3 scenario. But why would it have anything at all to do with YOUR list. You were barely in the game. Just seems like a big confusing conspiracy polt to cover for your vote.

part of DD's post

tail of rat
wing of bat
allow this cat to chit and chat! - Post 190

Not really sure of this as the visuals are all over our avatars and names. However, I do see the points brought up by you guys but I do think that either we are reading either too far into it or not enough. If I were to guess at a glance, it is saying to me that someone who drinks the witchy brew is quite talkative. That can be LG, she's got 67 posts here, while Z has 35posts and is in 2nd place then we have 3rd place Ice who has 27 posts.

agreeing with her logic towards LG

at the time i was suspicous of her, like i said..she gave me a bad feeling..so i voted, if i felt a better suspect came along, i would have taken my vote off her.

King uses other peoples post to pass the blame for his vote.

Just for list purposes... I still like Br. Ice and DC are also potential witches in my mind.

I think I'm going to vote for brk

He "thinks" he is

I have DC listed as one of my top contenders. I think all the reasons have already been stated.

There seems to me to be a connection between Ice and DC. I still like Ice as a witch, so that pushes DC to witchiness as well.

As to the fourth and/or possible fifth witches. I have no idea at this point.

I vote to burn brk

Oh yup he thought about it. Ice and DC were his "top contenders" but he votes for Brk with no explanation.

After a review of DC's posts. I find nothing terribly original in any of them. HE always seems to be agreeing with someone else or stating something obvious or without any support (" I still think DD is innocent and I'm beginning to believe Sway more now by some of her recent posts")

So, based on those weak findings, I'm still thinking he's witchy.

I actually agreed with him on this point. DC was trying to lay low by going with the flow.

After reviewing things. Apparently the connection between Ice and DC was in my own mind and just based on the fact that I thought them both witches.

Sorry.

That being said, I'm willing to leave off brk and switch to DC. It appears that a brk vote will be wasted and as long as I switch to someone else I believe to be a witch, then I'll be satisfied.

I retract my vote for brk and vote to burn DC at the stake.

P.S. I haven't been around as much as I could be, other things are going on at home, but I'm getting a little free time at work, so that's why my posting schedule seems off.

A vote on Brk was NOT a wasted vote. The "I'm willing" comment strikes me funny too.

I retract my vote from DC and vote to burn brk.

I thought that brk had only two votes. It's obvious I haven't been keeping up and I apologize.

I'm not quitting, but I'm probably not going to be very useful this game. Unless something is glaring obvious to me while I'm reading, I probably won't get much.

With DC being the herbalist, that kind of limits my suspect list to Ice and brk.

DCs revelation makes it more likely to me that Ice is a witch. Because it is much less likely that he is a power role. I guess he could still be innocent, but I'm leaning witchy for him.

So he goes back to Brk. He really doesn't have a choice he has penned himself in with his comments. Notice that Ice, DC, and Brk are the only three he ever talks about. Why not look into other players?

Since I'll probably miss the finale tonight. Here's my final list...

DC, suggest that the investigator check out Ice tonight and tell you the results. That way, you can everyone tomorrow. You also don't have to tell us who you protect, so you MIGHT be able to get away with the switch-a-roo. The witches might waste a vote on you if you are being protected and they might not.

I know that statement looks fishy as all heck, but when you see that I'm innocent, you'll know I'm trying to help in whatever way I can.

brk is still my prime suspect for a witch. I'm also comfortable with Ice being a witch, hence the suggestion for an investigation.

If Ice is innocent, then look REAL hard at Z.

The witches are having a super easy time of it this round. There's not a lot of real useful discussion (partially my fault), there are two newbies to hide behind, and the town (meaning me) seems to have screwed the pooch by forcing DC to come out.

BTW: I wouldn't worry too much about the people voting for me. I've made myself an easy target. Sorry guys, my heart just isn't in this one.

His final list is the same as it has been the whole game. Ice and Brk, but now with having to drop DC he has to pick up someone else so he adds this "If Ice is Innocent, check out Z" caveat. Real convient, yes I'm voting for you. So were DC and Sway. But you can't go after them now can you? It's just too convient.

I didn't say you were a witch. I said to look real hard at you.
Which means you are saying I'm a witch.
In summary, I think your posts are trying very hard to be the same as always, but they are not quite the same as other games. It's a very subtle thing and I may be wrong. But Sway is innocent, DC, is innocent, LadyG, and JMax were innocent. I'm innocent, that's 5 right there. There's a 50/50 shot for everyone else. It's down to the very subtle clues.

You are wrong, but that's OK.

There ya go, it's a 50/50 shot huh? No for you it is a 100% shot at getting the town to burn another Innocent.

sorry all, spent most of the day with my mom and grandmother.

im torn between ogre and BKW right now, i'm not to sure about either..but b has been extra quiet(as have i)..but i had somewhere to be..

lets make things interesting

i vote to burn BKW

Here comes King to burn BKW, oh wait...

lmao

i get him and brk confused all the time

i vote to burn brk

Still after being asked two or three times no solid answer as to where "all the time" occurs. It wasn't here. In you notes? In a private forum? In a chat somewhere?

But this is semantics. What matters is who was voted for. The correct name was applied with 29 minutes till Night. At that time Ogre was leading the votes by 1. This vote tied things up. And since Brk did not vote, that made him automatically be chosen I am sure. That is just very convienent.

I hope that made sense, it is harder to pin King down because he posted less than Ogre, but that late vote really seals it for me. I tried just making these points in just my own words, but I just didn't think people were seeing the connection so hopefully these posts show the real and true Townies what I feel is going on.

 

[jpappy789]

Nice job Zs. That really strengthens my suspicions of ogre. And I am beginning to trust you more but not completely...

Right now I have:

Ogre-3
KOTD-3
Chas-4
bluerat-4
plant-5
Zs-6
DD-6
Swayde-9
Ice-9
DC-10

 

[IceH2O]

I'm just to good at my job, 1:00 and theres no jobs for me, I need to learn to slow down.

Question here Z about this post.

Ice I believe is Innocent and the Warlock.
DeputyChief I believe is Innocent and the Herbalist
Swayde I presume to be innocent
Charlie -7
jpappy -7
DangerDoll -6
plantling -6
bluerat - 4
Ogre -3
King -3

This is my list. King and Ogre have both decided to start playing the game since the start of today. Ogre was leading the votes until King popped in to tie things up with less than 1 hour till Night. Since Brk didn't vote the tie automatically went to him.

Ogre leaves jpappy off his list "because it was jpappys list". Well it's also convient that Ice and some of the others I presume to be Innocents suspect jpappy and he left him off, but accuses me of protecting him. Well ok, I am protecting him because I believe he is Innocent.

bluerat comes in third on the list only because of her lack of posting. I don't have as much to compare her to the other I believe Innocent and Witch. Yes, there are probably more than 2-3 Witches but that is as far as my confidence goes.

I vote to burn King.

But am just as confident voting Ogre. I think there is good support that they are working like a sleep cell, and they are connected. We need to get a Witch Tonight.

Why bring up that Ogre left Jpap off the list as a protection ploy and then claim yourself that you think jpap is innocent?

I like the case you brought against Ogre, but I still feel that KOTDs name on that update with the spell is telling us those people are innocents. The vote that saved Ogre does stand out though.

Time to look into Sway a little more.

Have to work on my car, it wouldn't start up for my wife when she went to go grocery shopping, glad it was here and not there when it decided to die.

 

[bluerat]

i keep wondering if ogre has developed a split personality . for most part he has kept himself so laid back i thought he was asleep and now he has come back as if a rocket has been lit. i think now more so that he is now no longer an innocent . it seems that he for most part was a watcher now he wants to stir to see who will bite.
and ice im not at all comfortable with making a list bully me as much as you like im not happy doing that perhaps when im ready will but not yet . if this makes you more suspisious then so be it , there is not much i can do about it.

 

[Dangerdoll]

does anyone have a vote count?

 

[ZSandmann]

I'm just to good at my job, 1:00 and theres no jobs for me, I need to learn to slow down.

Question here Z about this post.




Why bring up that Ogre left Jpap off the list as a protection ploy and then claim yourself that you think jpap is innocent?

I like the case you brought against Ogre, but I still feel that KOTDs name on that update with the spell is telling us those people are innocents. The vote that saved Ogre does stand out though.

Time to look into Sway a little more.

Have to work on my car, it wouldn't start up for my wife when she went to go grocery shopping, glad it was here and not there when it decided to die.

Not as a protection ploy. As a way to drag a Innocent down with him if he goes. Example: Ogre gets burned and we see he is a Witch. We look at that list, see jpappy isn't there and that is is jpappys list and go after jpappy as an accomplise. That's what I meant, sorry I wasn't clear.

 

[ZSandmann]

For you DD:

ZSandmann: Ogre
jpappy: charlie
King: Swayde, plantling, ZSandmann, jpappy
bluerat: Ice, Ice

Remember Ice counts twice. Hey that rhymes.

 

[ZSandmann]

Your not Vanilla Ice Ice baby are ya?

 

[Dangerdoll]

LOL ZS cut that out!!

ok, thanks for the list, Z.... you're making it hard to suspect you.... however I still have a feeling on pappy.... and am not sold on King.... however I do know our numbers are dwindling so more and more of this list is witchy.... dangit!! Wait.... brb.... I just forgot something!

ZSandmann: Ogre
jpappy: charlie
King: Swayde, plantling, ZSandmann, jpappy
bluerat: Ice, Ice

 

[Dangerdoll]

im beginning to wonder if you might be more than you seem. i for a newbie at this is bound to be a little confused , as i never played before but your lack of opinions is bothering even me. the only one you have really jumped on was ice and he was trying to help all with his postings so on this
i vote burn ogre

this post I find interesting. Blue, you go on to chastise Ogre for lack of opinions, hmmmm..... but who else is guilty of this lack.... give you a hint, rhymes with truecat.